Pictors Studio | 29 Nov 2016 11:57 p.m. PST |
It looks like the 2nd weekend in December will see the release of Battleforces for AoS. These are going to be priced at 2x the price of the Start Collecting sets but it looks like the value is even more impressive than those boxed sets were. You typically save about $40 USD-50 in those. In these the savings are much greater. The Stormcast Eternals one contains about $343 USD worth of figures for $170 USD, or about half price. The Sylvaneth one isn't quite as good of a deal containing $311 USD worth of stuff for the same $170. USD The Iron Jaws has about $306 USD worth of stuff.
Also all of those look like they mesh really well with what you get in the Start Collecting sets. For the Sylvaneth, for example, the Start Collecting set and the Battleforce would pretty much get you everything you would need for a really good Sylveneth army. That would be a pretty complete army for AoS for that force. Same with the Stormcast one. It is tough to see exactly what is in the Bloodbound one but it seems like that plus either the Start Collecting Box or the basic starter set would give you a huge Blood bound army. |
CATenWolde | 30 Nov 2016 2:18 a.m. PST |
I think I see the problem. You use the term "X$ worth of figures" to mean "what GW normally tries to charge you". $170 USD for 19 miniatures is a fantastic value?! Only if you are completely committed to GW and their figures, and willing to pay what are outlandish prices compared to the rest of the hobby. And yes, I know that you are a great defender of all things GW, but the bare bones facts are that both my brother and I have kids who like the look of GW figures, but there is no way either of us can afford to get them hooked. There are too many great alternatives to GW these days for kids getting started. |
Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 30 Nov 2016 3:15 a.m. PST |
Yes I remember when a battle force was 50GBP and you actually got a decent amount of miniatures to start an army these new versions are a bargain by GW standards but arguably GW stuff is not good value to start with…. |
Brian Smaller | 30 Nov 2016 3:27 a.m. PST |
In New Zealand they are selling on special for about $NZD300.00 ($USD 215.00). The Stomrcast Eternals set with 19 plastic miniatures – not sure how that can be considered good value unless you have unlimited funds for one's hobby spend. |
Earl of the North | 30 Nov 2016 4:35 a.m. PST |
Maybe it should be "GW are fantastically overpriced, so new GW Battleforces offer fantastic value" One thing about GW's prices is that every time I get the urge to maybe get back into their games, their prices convince me otherwise. |
Dogged | 30 Nov 2016 6:54 a.m. PST |
For normal GW pricing, those sets are great value, as were the Renegade Knight for 40K. Or the 40k Flyers duel boxes. But comparing to other games… Suicide Squad from Knight Models is about 90€ for a full game with scenics, markers and 13 miniatures. Blood Bowl has the full game, markers, board and 24 miniatures for the same price of Suicide Squad. And it's GW. Maybe it is that the AoS range is overpriced on the whole, because let's face it, the miniatures are absolutely gorgeous. Were they in keeping with former battleforce pricing, they would be awesome. |
Pictors Studio | 30 Nov 2016 8:01 a.m. PST |
"Only if you are completely committed to GW and their figures, and willing to pay what are outlandish prices compared to the rest of the hobby." This just isn't true. You won't find figures of comparable quality and size in the fantasy market for a lower price these days. Take the set you are looking at, the Stormcast Eternals. The models are all 40mm figures because they are supposed to be bigger than normal humans. There are two guys riding little dragons in that set and a character giant that is riding a swirling magical aura. Now whether you want something like that or not is somewhat irrelevant to the price that a company would charge for something. Gringo40s is selling their Mexican infantry for 5 pounds each. That Stormcast boxed set contains 15 regular infantry. That would be 75 pounds right there. The cavalry is 14 pounds. There are two cavalry models in the boxed set, that is another 28 pounds. I don't know how much they would charge for a 40mm character with wings or one flying on a magical spiral but lets say they were only double the price of the regular foot, 10 pounds each. You would be looking at something like 125 pounds for the same number of figures from Gringo40s. That would be about $150 USD right now, with the exchange rate being what it is. And the Bloodbound set is 40 models, including 3 monster cavalry. Suicide Squad is 99.95 euros and the models are all 28mm. So compare that to the Bloodbound set where you get 40 models, the rules are free. That is 3x the number of models as the suicide squad set for less than 2x the price. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Also if you are comparing AoS to Blood Bowl, the starter set for AoS came with nearly 50 miniatures for $125 USD plus all the rules, painting guides, dice and rulers. "Yes I remember when a battle force was 50GBP"
And I remember when gas was less than $1 USD a gallon. The New Zealand pricing for GW does seem very expensive and I have no idea why you guys in the antipodes get charged so much. But in the US market, you aren't going to get the same quality and size of fantasy figure for a better price with the exception, possibly, of the Reaper bones line. |
CATenWolde | 30 Nov 2016 8:58 a.m. PST |
Okay, enjoy the Kool-aid. But hey, it's your hobby, go for broke and I wish you many hours of happiness in its pursuit. |
Dentatus | 30 Nov 2016 9:27 a.m. PST |
Like those Bloodbound. If I played GW, I'd go for starter sets like these and supplement with used particulars from eBay. To be honest, they seem evenly priced with anything WarmaHordes – which as far as I can tell – is their next closest competitor. |
Royal Liz | 30 Nov 2016 10:26 a.m. PST |
"Kool-Aid?" I think it is you who is not facing reality CATenWolde. He basically just proved you wrong. I don't even know where this idea that GW is expensive comes from. I started gaming about two years ago and GW is pretty much right in line with everything else I've really looked at and with these starter sets much cheaper. I think these sets are great. I have the Start Collecting Seraphon set and if they put out one of these Battleforces for the Seraphon I'll get one of them when I'm finished painting my other figures. |
Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 30 Nov 2016 10:53 a.m. PST |
170 USD is roughly £136.00 GBP GBP for 16 orcs. Seriously for £99.00 GBP I can get a whole orc army of 106 miniatures including ogres and chariots from Mantic. Of course GW are expensive compared to everything except Hordes/warmachine. just take a look at what you can get from Mantic link |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 30 Nov 2016 11:09 a.m. PST |
Liz--it's "proof" if you compare expensive to expensive. Gringo40s Mexicans are £5.00 GBP each? So about $7 USD? Yes,expensive. But Sash and Saber sells THEIR 40mm Mexicans for $2.25 USD. I think they look pretty good:
And for anyone who can take advantage of the convention special, they come out to $1.87 USD each. There are still.good deals to be had,on good figures. Maybe not in fantasy,since,as we know,fantasy are for some reason "supposed" to cost more. Why is that,exactly? Didn't used to be that way. What changed,I wonder? EDIT:From Prince Rupert's post, looks like some people are turning down the Kool-aid. |
thorr666 | 30 Nov 2016 11:34 a.m. PST |
$5 USD for metal, $2 USD for plastic is reasonable. Above that starts getting ridiculous. $10 USD+ per figure is stupid |
Royal Liz | 30 Nov 2016 11:42 a.m. PST |
Yeah but I think you have to compare figures of like quality. Mantic figures aren't bad but they just don't stack up to the quality of GW. " of course GW are expensive compared to everything except Hordes/warmachine." Or Infinity. Or Scribor. Or Knight Models. Or Warlord Games. Or Malifaux. Or Kingdom Death. I could continue. Making that statement is basically an admission of almost complete ignorance of the current high-quality fantasy miniature market. |
Extrabio1947 | 30 Nov 2016 11:47 a.m. PST |
I'm not used to seeing the terms "GW" and "value" in a sentence that has a positive connotation. Still, if you enjoy the taste of the GW Kool-Aid, cheers! |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 30 Nov 2016 12:08 p.m. PST |
Liz--What you're saying is "I like GW more than Mantic". Which is fine,as long as you recognize it as subjective taste,rather than objective fact. Others' tastes may vary. In fact Mantic's existence indicates that they do vary,unless their customers are simply deluded. But as others have said here,you should buy what appeals to you. That's what I do. |
Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 30 Nov 2016 12:16 p.m. PST |
Lis@ you mention infinity. Tohaa starter set £76.00 GBP for 18 miniatures so still cheaper especially when you factor in they are metal. link Warlord Ghar starter set £50.00 GBP 21 models including 9 battle suits (some plastic some Metal) link even someone high quality like Redbox are £6.00 GBP for a metal miniature but for £136.00 GBP I could still get 22 metal miniatures There are plenty of high quality fantasy models that don't cost GW prices or if they do they are normal made of metal/resin not cheap ass plastic (Artisan, Northstar, Plenty of RPEs miniature lines). Follow that up with the high quality historical miniatures that cost far less and I just can't get how people can justify GW prices let alone think they are good value but meh each to their own I guess… |
Pictors Studio | 30 Nov 2016 12:48 p.m. PST |
"I'm not used to seeing the terms "GW" and "value" in a sentence that has a positive connotation." You should get with the times. There are tons of GW products now that are fantastic value. "ohaa starter set £76.00 GBP GBP for 18 miniatures so still cheaper especially when you factor in they are metal." I think you might want to check your math. 18 28m figures at 76 quid is about $5.27 USD with current exchange rates. In these deals GW is selling 40 28mm miniatures (including 3 monster cavalry and including 0 little gribbly things) for $170. USD That is $4.25 USD each. And they are made out of plastic so superior in every way to the metal figures. If you want to compare the Ghar boxed set you get 21 models for $80 USD vs. the Tau boxed set where you get 23 models for $85. USD Seems pretty similar to me. There are plenty of high quality historical figures out there. That is true. Liz is essentially correct. She may not be aware that at some point GW was WAY more pricey than anyone else, but they also had almost no competition back then. Right now they are right in line with, or cheaper than, any real competition they have. It is expensive to make these things. I don't know exactly when fantasy figures became more expensive than historicals, probably when fantasy figs became more than just historical figures with head swaps, Either way no one out there today is making a giant or a tree man of the quality that GW is for the price. Scibor is trying to do similar things to GW and their prices are often about 2x GW prices. And thorr666, how many fantasy miniature ranges do you have on the market? I'm asking because you seem to have it all figured out with pricing. |
Earl of the North | 30 Nov 2016 1:16 p.m. PST |
I'd compare the Tau starter set with the Concord rather than the Ghar since its made up of infantry and drones (the large Concord drones could match up to the suits). link link Having said that though I'd say both the Antares starter sets seem the better value compared to the GW sets. I've long held the view that GW is overpriced, I've also held the view that its up to the player if they are willing to pay that price. These GW overpriced discussion are always pretty much the same, if your willing to pay their prices then you have obviously made the decision that they are not overpriced (or you just don't care) and if you have moved on to greener pastures then you probably think they are (or you got bored with the grimdark setting ). |
thorr666 | 30 Nov 2016 1:38 p.m. PST |
Exactly 0, which is how many minis I buy over the prices I listed |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 2:02 p.m. PST |
You typically save about $40 USD USD-50 in those. No this just means that you are still paying too much for them. Two weeks ago one of the FLGS was having a clear out sale and they had a lot of the GW boxes at 30% to 50% off and even then they were not selling. GW took it shorts last year and it looks like they are trying everything that they can get revenue. |
Pictors Studio | 30 Nov 2016 2:41 p.m. PST |
Which is your FLGS? At 50% off I'll probably buy a lot of what they have. I guess they aren't marketing it right. My local store had sold 30 copies of Burning of Prospero as of two weeks ago. It had only been out for two weeks at that point. "Exactly 0, which is how many minis I buy over the prices I listed" So I guess you just don't really know what you are talking about then. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 30 Nov 2016 2:52 p.m. PST |
Golly, now you can't talk about miniatures unless you also make them? That will certainly cut down on the number of posts. Granted,Thor666's OP should have ended with "IMO"(as should Liz's opening in her second post). It was a statement of opinion,rather than fact. No need to heap scorn,though. IMO. |
thorr666 | 30 Nov 2016 2:59 p.m. PST |
Ok, imo then. Fixed. Pictor, I'd tell you what you could do to yourself, but I'd get dawghoused for it :D |
Garand | 30 Nov 2016 3:04 p.m. PST |
Thing about when talking about whether these sets are a good value or not depends entirely on whether you actually LIKE GW figures or not. Saying how good a value historical figures are compared to GW figures is ultimately meaningless, because no matter how great a Roman legionairy is, it is STILL not an Sylvaneth Treekin, and is not a substitution good for a Sylvaneth Treekin. On that same note, there will be aesthetic considerations as well. As someone pointed out above, Mantic sells their orcs at a much better price than GWs. But Mantic's orcs look like crap (IMHO). So do GWs for that matter (IMHO) so for me there's a impasse (as an aside, if I ever do an orc army, I'll probably look at BTDs orcs, looks better with a nicer old-school look). So if I want SPECIFICALLY Sylvaneth figures, these are good deals. But if I'm happy enough with Romans, I can go and buy a bag of OG Romans, cause that's the same thing right? Damon. |
thorr666 | 30 Nov 2016 3:14 p.m. PST |
I don't understand why people are hung up on sculpt quality vs price. That's a one time cost, not something that should factor into price on every unit sold. Especially if your moving hundreds or possibly thousands of units. Manufacturing cost is going to be close to the same for figures made the same way no matter if the sculpt is great or not. Beauty is not an excuse for price gouging. Imo |
Dogged | 30 Nov 2016 3:28 p.m. PST |
No, no. Please stop using the supposed "GW higher quality" as a way to justify their pricing. GW pricing is consistent with (and only with) regards to GW product. GW "quality" in terms of attractiveness is very subjective. In fact a good many players of GW games have been put off by what they consider is excessive and busy designs of their AoS miniatures. By (proportional) comparison Perry miniatures are awesome for historical figurines and not one bit overpriced. Corvus Belli's Infinity range is attractive too and, quite sincerely, Mantic do compete with AoS in terms of attractiveness with AoS minis seem affected by a general overdose of steroids and Mantic ones more consistent with more "classic" fantasy. Also, while Bloodbound are 40 minis sets the rest are 16-19 miniatures. You really can't compare with Infinity starters except for the Bloodbound. But not being a mass battle game (anymore, IIRC) but more of a skirmish one, prices are not that abusive. In fact they are in line with Infinity or DC/Marvel Noble Knight games (BTW sorry but the Suicide Game is a better deal for its price, but then again if you like the background and so on). That being said, my personal opinion on them is that those are splendid minis; I'm one of these who think the Sigmarines are in fact great designs which have set a distinctive look for AoS. That by itself is a risky bet but a sound decision to make their game one of a kind. Also the new orks I find them awesome and too very distinctive, with an aggressive look that definitely sets them apart from the old goofy orcs from WHFB and 40K. So in conclusion they may not be fantastic value but they are definitely a boon to build an army for AoS. Maybe I'll fall for those khornates; as you say, the AoS starter is after all a fine deal… |
Pictors Studio | 30 Nov 2016 3:31 p.m. PST |
How is it price gouging? "Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods, services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair, and is considered exploitative, potentially to an unethical extent." How can any price on a miniature be considered exploitative? "Golly, now you can't talk about miniatures unless you also make them?"
You can talk all you want about them, but if you think we should listen to you when you don't have the first clue about how much work goes into making them then you're expecting a little much. Sculpt quality vs. price is a very real concern. And it isn't just the quality it is the number. In the AoS starter set there are 10 unique Blood Reavers. There are 5 unique Blood Warriors. There are 5 unique Liberators. And so on. In just those that is 20 unique sculpts. You can't really compare it, even in GW games, to something like Betrayal at Calth where you have have 10 different marines x 3 (and really in most cases just the legs), 5 Terminators, 2 characters and a dreadnought. Of course the sculpting costs are going to be higher and significantly so. If it wasn't a significant cost how would you explain some companies having inferior sculpts? |
Garand | 30 Nov 2016 3:33 p.m. PST |
it's only price gouging to the CONSUMER if they feel they did not get the value for their dollar. You may think that because production costs are the same whether it is a GW or Mantic mold, that the consumer would feel the costs are equivalent. Here's a secret I found out about a while ago. When Airfix makes a decision on whether to kit an airplane model in 1/72 scale or 1/48, the costs of development and production are nearly the same. But it is more profitable to kit that subject in 1/48, because in the eyes of the CONSUMER there is much greater value in a 1/48 scale kit than 1/72, and Airfix can thus charge much more for the kit. So why doesn't Airfix sell 1/48 scale kits at $10 USD a pop? Because they can get away with charging more. So in that vein it is irrelevant how much it costs to produce the figures in question, but the added value of a better sculpt can justify the higher price in the eyes of the consumer. Damon. |
thorr666 | 30 Nov 2016 3:37 p.m. PST |
My point, it can also NOT justify it in the eyes of the consumer. Which is where my price limits come from |
Thomas Thomas | 30 Nov 2016 3:48 p.m. PST |
Buy if you want…its your money. I don't like the sculpts and won't pay anything for them. There are (in my opinion) many better sculpts available that can be used in fantasy games and at much better prices. Making a figure big is no excuse to increase the price. I won't pay more for a badly proportioned figure just because its bigger. It seems that other companies are adopting the model of exclusive figures that can only be used for their game and so can charge monopolistic prices. Again buy em if you want but do so with eyes wide open and not with some illusion that its a great deal because they cut their ludicrous prices for "box deals". TomT |
Pictors Studio | 30 Nov 2016 3:51 p.m. PST |
"My point, it can also NOT justify it in the eyes of the consumer. Which is where my price limits come from" And that is your limit. It does not make what they are charging price gouging. |
ordinarybass | 30 Nov 2016 5:20 p.m. PST |
As compared to the other high-end fantasy games this seems like a fairly good -though not amazing- deal. I think the most important thing is that these boxes plus the lower-model count AoS rules brings the cost of a force around the same (perhaps a bit less) than warmachine and that's a good thing for GW and it's players. From my perspecitve it's not remotely worth it, but I'm not a GW gamer. However, I understand the benifits of GW gaming and I can definitely see how this is a great thing for GW fans. A couple years ago I wrote an essay in Praise of GW from the point of view of someone who doesn't buy their games anymore. It might be of interest to those engaged in this topic. link |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 6:21 p.m. PST |
You won't find figures of comparable quality and size in the fantasy market for a lower price these days. Really!!! Do I have to bring up Northstar stuff?
So that Stormcast Eternals box you get a total of 19 whole miniatures for $170 USD less taxes. For that amount I would buy almost five of the above boxes and get 100 miniatures. So lets see $170 USD/19 = $8.95 USD per figure. or $175 USD/100 = $1.75 USD per figure. So your comment. You won't find figures of comparable quality and size in the fantasy market for a lower price these days. Does not hold water because GW miniatures are some of the most expensive on the market and quite frankly look horrible. Yeah but I think you have to compare figures of like quality. Mantic figures aren't bad but they just don't stack up to the quality of GW. True but it least Mantic Dwarves do have knees.
But those Northstar Miniatures they are not only far cheaper than GW's they look great. I would even consider using some of the Zombicide: Black Plague miniatures. Like these Dead Eye Walkers
21 Miniatures for just $25 USD or 25/21 = $1.20 USD per miniature. I already have two boxes of them and considering getting a third. There are ways to get armies for far less than what GW is selling for. Your decision pay around $1,200 USD – $1,500 USD+ for a decent size army from GW. or Pay around $350 USD – $500 USD for the same size army and then get 2-3 more armies as well. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 6:29 p.m. PST |
Which is your FLGS? At 50% off I'll probably buy a lot of what they have. Olympic Comic & Cards link
Sad to say that the sale is over but there will be other sales and more than likely the GW stuff will be marked down a lot but still will not sell. Gabi the owner did get in 10 copies of Blood Bowl. Those might actually sell. As for the other stuff no because even marked down 50% those box games are still overprice. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 6:44 p.m. PST |
There are tons of GW products now that are fantastic value. No there is a ton of GW products that are way overprice and their stand alone games have little to no replay ability. They were just schemes to attempt to generate revenue since it drop sharply after they kill off WFB for Age or Sigmar. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 6:58 p.m. PST |
I guess they aren't marketing it right. My local store had sold 30 copies of Burning of Prospero as of two weeks ago. It had only been out for two weeks at that point. It not marketing. Nope it is the fact that 40K, WFB & Age of Sigmar are dead in my area and have been for over 15 years. We have two FLGS stores and in both the stuff just does not sell that well. When GW put out stand alone game after stand alone game that ranged in price of $125 USD – $150 USD and quite frankly are horrible games. They are not going to sell. If they want sales then they should consider doing some of the following: Create some Female Imperial Guard figures and sell them at a reasonable price. But this is GW so they won't. They are going back to the Horus Hersey because back in the early to mid 1990's that got many individuals into the game. But within ten years they had killed off all of their games except for 40K and WFB. But their inability to write a decent set of rules and constant price increases resulted in them killing off WFB and now they have 40K End of Times happening. link link Well we all know what happen after they put WFB though an End of Times. So is GW going to kill off 40K as well? Well only time will tell. But given GW track record, 40K just might be doom to die. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 7:05 p.m. PST |
How is it price gouging?"Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods, services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair, and is considered exploitative, potentially to an unethical extent." How can any price on a miniature be considered exploitative? Well gee, what do you call it when GW: Doubled the price of Dire Avengers from $35 USD for ten to $70 USD for ten. They knew that Dire Avengers were the most likely Troop choice for Eldar players since normal Guardians have been nerf'd to being worst than horrible. or Doubling the price of Dark Elf Witch Elves, knowing that they were a prime unit for any Dark Elf army. No GW has practiced price gouging for years and those above box sets are a prime example. They set up the increase price by bringing out Finecrap Resin and dumping it and going back to plastic but increasing the prices even more. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 7:26 p.m. PST |
So I guess you just don't really know what you are talking about then. I know what I am talking about because I have quite a few of GW, Mantic, Zombicide & Northstar Miniatures. I have: WFB High Elves (200+ figures Empire (350+ figures) Orks & Goblins (500+ figures) Dwarves (200+ figures) Undead (300+ figures) 40K Dark Angels (140+ figures) Guardians of the Covenant (140+ figures) Orks (300+ figures) Eldar (200+ figures) Imperial Guard (200+ figures) Oh and these armies include very few vehicles. 40K Epic Imperial Guard Dark Angels Eldar Squats Orks I brought my first GW miniatures way back in 1989 within ten years I had most of the above. Oh and I have been around GW stuff for nearly 28 years now. At today prices I would be lucky to just have one of those armies because even at just a price of $4.00 USD per figure the WFB and 40K miniatures would be around $10,200. USD But GW miniatures are not $4.00 USD per figure but closer to #6.50 or more. So what I have would be around $16,600 USD and that would be on the low end. That does not even include the Epic stuff so around $20,000 USD+ would put me in the ball park. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 7:33 p.m. PST |
In the AoS starter set there are 10 unique Blood Reavers. There are 5 unique Blood Warriors. There are 5 unique Liberators. And so on. Gee, in those Northstar sets there quite a few ways to put the miniatures together. Oh and they are coming out with SciFi weapons that you can use so you will now have a way to put together a 40K type forces. |
The Hound | 30 Nov 2016 7:57 p.m. PST |
GW should bring metal miniatures and WFB back. Age of sigmar models are like 40k thrown into fantasy. |
Pictors Studio | 30 Nov 2016 9:16 p.m. PST |
Mithmee, read again the part with the size and quality. And on everything else, just look at every other thread where I've proven you wrong again and again and again. |
Mitochondria | 30 Nov 2016 9:41 p.m. PST |
Mithmee. Nice to see someone from the Lacey area still kicking around. I used to love Olympic Cards and Comics back when I was stationed up there. |
Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 11:03 p.m. PST |
Mithmee, read again the part with the size and quality. And on everything else, just look at every other thread where I've proven you wrong again and again and again. Really, you have not ever proven me wrong except inside your GW Fanboy head. I have time and again shown the their are other companies (actually quite a few) that have better miniatures at are far cheaper than anything that GW puts out today. GW has put out quite a few Stand alone games and they are not selling even when put at 30%-50% off. That is due to them not being any good and costing far too much. You are trying to say that Northstar or Mantic miniatures do not size up against GW. Well as usual you are wrong again.
i.imgur.com/co95mN6.jpg?1 The same goes for Mantic miniatures as well.
So you are very wrong. As for quality, well I consider what GW is putting out to be not as good as.
Oh and those pic's with the 20 miniatures only will cost you $35 USD plus tax. If GW was selling them they would be around $85 USD-$100. So GW has Mantic, Northstar, Perry Miniatures and for 40K they also have Warlord Games cutting into their sales. Oh and the 2015-2016 Financial Report showed that. So you can continue to buy those overprice miniatures from GW that you love so much and well me and many others will buy from the above companies and end up with more and better looking miniatures. But as for you proving me wrong, nope that has never happen or will it ever happen. Oh and with this game coming from Fantasy Flight next year GW will have another company that will be completing against them. Oh and it plays better than any of the "BUCKET OF DICE" games that GW has.
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Mithmee | 30 Nov 2016 11:12 p.m. PST |
Mithmee. Nice to see someone from the Lacey area still kicking around. I used to love Olympic Cards and Comics back when I was stationed up there. Mitochondria, Actually live in Dupont, Washington though did live down in Lacey from 1997 to 2004. Grew up in the Parkland area until I joined the military and came back after I retired in 1997. You probably hit up The Games Matrix up in Lakewood as well.
I have known both Gabi and Chris for quite sometime and I spread out my buys at both. Will be at The Games Matrix for News Year eve for the gaming (boardgames) night that goes on each year. Chris always has a 20% off sale then and I have picked up several great games. |
basileus66 | 30 Nov 2016 11:47 p.m. PST |
I don't play AoS (not my cup of tea), but if I do I would find the battlegroups a good investment. As I grow older I value two things in a miniature, and none of them is price. First, if plastic, how well it fits, or, if metal, how much time I need to spend filling and cleaning mould lines. Second, how neat are the details in the miniature. For me, those two are the most important details when I am deciding to buy. They save me time, and given how few time I have available it is of paramount importance to me (that is why I love the latest Front Rank Napoleonic releases, by the way). Of GW AoS figures I do dislike something, though: the seer amount of unnecessary details in the miniatures. That is something that puts me off. Again, it is a matter of how much time I spend with the figure. Overabuse of details is something that I hate. Is it really necessary to put everything that a French soldier, for instance, could carry in his back in the miniature? It forces me to lose time painting the little details that could have been left out of the model without any harm to the quality of the final product. May be they are a joy for competition painters, but a headache for many other gamers/collectors. |
Pictors Studio | 01 Dec 2016 6:57 a.m. PST |
Mithmee you compared the value of 28mm figures to figures that are 40mm in size. Do you go to the grocery store and complain because you only get one chicken for $5.95 USD when you can get 5,000 pieces of rice for $8 USD? Just go back and read the other threads. You have been proven wrong time and time again. You don't understand inflation. You don't understand size. You don't understand English. Look here for example: You say "Oh and those pic's with the 20 miniatures only will cost you $35 USD USD plus tax.
If GW was selling them they would be around $85 USD USD-$100." But you're wrong. A GW set with comparable minis to that gnoll boxed set costs $35 USD plus tax. link Proven. I'm not saying that Northstar or Mantic don't size up to GW. All I've said is that many people in this thread have taken 19 high quality figures for $170 USD and tried to compare it to 20 figures from another company when one of the 19 figures is a freaking giant. |
Garand | 01 Dec 2016 7:02 a.m. PST |
Of GW AoS figures I do dislike something, though: the seer amount of unnecessary details in the miniatures. That is something that puts me off. Again, it is a matter of how much time I spend with the figure. Overabuse of details is something that I hate. Is it really necessary to put everything that a French soldier, for instance, could carry in his back in the miniature? It forces me to lose time painting the little details that could have been left out of the model without any harm to the quality of the final product. May be they are a joy for competition painters, but a headache for many other gamers/collectors. To be fair, abuse of details is not confined to GW AoS figures. This is a trend I've been seeing in the fantasy market (and SF for that matter, if I bought more SF figures besides 40K that are not spaceships), that I'm a bit annoyed with. Plastering the figure with loads of details does not necessarily make it a better figure, but better execution of those details (i.e. making them actually interesting) makes for a better figure. I have a bunch of Reaper bugbears that are taking me forever to paint, because they are festooned with a lot of (IMHO) unnecessary details. I guess it is an attempt at differentiation and quality in the consumer's eyes… Damon. |
Garand | 01 Dec 2016 7:06 a.m. PST |
All this talk about GW, especially the gonzo pricing on Witch Elfs (which I actually agree with, as a consumer, which is why I never bought them!) made me go on Ebay, and snag a box of metal Witch Elfs from 6e, 10 metal figures for $40. USD In plastic that would cost $60 USD, so I feel good about the deal… Damon. |
teboj17 | 01 Dec 2016 7:26 a.m. PST |
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