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vicmagpa111 Nov 2016 2:41 p.m. PST

Anybody gamed east cavalry field at Gettysburg?

Thought about combining Pickett's charge and Stuarts ride in same game. Has anybody done this and wahat was the result?

Looking at 6mm to pull it off.

John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP11 Nov 2016 7:06 p.m. PST

I plan on doing it in the next 6 months with They Couldn't Hit An Elephant using 1/72 troopers.

donlowry12 Nov 2016 9:11 a.m. PST

There is a theory that Stuart was supposed to attack the back side of Cemetery Hill, but the Union cavalry got in the way. I think it more likely that he was there to be in position to harass/pursue a Union retreat down the Baltimore Pike, should it come to pass.

jowady12 Nov 2016 10:28 a.m. PST

Don Lowry, Having walked the ground myself I think that a Confederate move into the Union Rear area, including possible interdiction of the Baltimore Pike the most likely reason. When Meade first spoke with Hancock on the night of the 1st about the position Hancock pointed out that the only real weakness was the possibility of the Confederate making it through the right flank and taking the Pike. I have often wondered about Lee's seeming obsession with heavy attacks on the Union Left and Center, attacks on the Union Right were carried out in a somewhat haphazard manner, in addition even Ewell's orders on the 2nd and 3rd were to begin with a "demonstration" and only to turn it into an attack in earnest if favorable conditions developed. Had Stuart proceeded to the rear of Cemetery Hill he would have run the risk of being cut off by Union Forces on Culp's Hill as well as running into the Union Artillery posted on what is today known as "Kinzie's Knoll".

Standing out on Low Dutch Road (today's East Cavalry Field) you do realize just how far away it is (in 1860s terms) from the rest of the battlefield. And Stuart's Cavalry was really in no position to fight a battle, the men were exhausted and many (perhaps as many as half) were without mounts (the mounts were exhausted as well).

BTW I have gamed it but not in miniatures, only in a boardgame "Rebel Sabers". You could attach the map to "Terrible Swift Sword" making it a monster four map regimental/battery level game of Gettysburg.

M C MonkeyDew12 Nov 2016 12:52 p.m. PST

Not yet. I did Brinkrhoff's Ridge though. Not a competitive game unless you restrict US cavalry availability.

John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2016 8:17 a.m. PST

Anyone have a handy link to the regiment sizes for this? Looks doable with what I have on hand, if I can get the units sized correctly.

M C MonkeyDew14 Nov 2016 11:29 a.m. PST

Not really handy per se but I can give you a couple of book titles with the info if that helps.


John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2016 1:40 p.m. PST

Aye, thanks. I've also ordered Protecting the Flank at Gettysburg: The Battles for Brinkerhoff's Ridge and East Cavalry Field, July 2 -3, 1863 by Eric Wittenberg, it'll be here tomorrow.

There's a bit of discussion on this very topic from 2010, here:

TMP link

donlowry15 Nov 2016 8:29 a.m. PST

That's a good book.

John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP15 Nov 2016 8:33 a.m. PST

It is, I'm already into Chapter 2. Gotta love Amazon Prime :-)

M C MonkeyDew15 Nov 2016 10:15 a.m. PST

Protecting the Flank is one of them. Very useful indeed.

T'other is The Cavalry at Gettysburg, by Edward G. Longacre.

With those two you should have all the OOB and terrain info you need.


John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP15 Nov 2016 10:56 a.m. PST

From Brandy Station to Fairfield would make a neat campaign game.

Cuirassier16 Nov 2016 6:04 a.m. PST

Eric Wittenberg talked about the cavalry action on July 3rd at the Battle of Gettysburg. He described the fighting on East Cavalry Field and argued against the theory that Confederate Gen. J.E.B. Stuart had orders to try to get around the Union flank. Instead, he suggested that Stuart was supposed to protect the Confederate flank.

One hour video here (courtesy of C-SPAN): link

Recorded last week. Enjoy. ;-)

Cuirassier16 Nov 2016 6:07 a.m. PST

Err… I meant… Last month.

John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 7:13 a.m. PST

He also addresses it in the updated version of his book, after reading that rather dubious theory.

Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 11:34 a.m. PST

Plan to.

Scott Mingus17 Nov 2016 6:50 p.m. PST

I wrote scenarios for East Cavalry Field and for Brinkerhoff's Ridge and included them in my now out-of-print scenario book Enduring Valor: Gettysburg in Miniature. Ivor Janci, the publisher, has been considering reprinting the two-volume set in a digital format if he gets time.

John Thomas8 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2016 2:07 a.m. PST

That'd be awesome.

vicmagpa27 Nov 2016 4:03 a.m. PST

I would look forward to that. currently researching how big 7th Michigan cavalry was. thanks!

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