"Late 1944 Stug Camo" Topic

Hey all,

Am planning on doing a Westfront Nov-Dec 1944 project soon and have a question about Stug camo during that time.

I know in August 1944 the factories were directed to apply camo, with the various types of Hinterhalt being applied by MAN, MNH, DB on the Panthers (planning on getting the new Abteilung 502 book for these and the post-September striped patterns), and Nibelungenwerke doing its own pattern on Panzer IV Js.

From what i can tell, Vomag also did a Hinterhalt on the last Jpz IVs and Panzer IV/70(V)s for a bit into October-ish before switching over.

Not sure what Nibelungenwerke did with the Panzer IV/70(A)s, though i would assume similar to the Panzer IV Js since it would be the same paint shop? (Do the Panzer Tracts books have good images of camo?)

But I can't seem to find anything on what Alkett and MIAG were doing with the StuG/StuHs during this time. I found one website that thought it was just plain Dunkelgelb; perhaps business as before, letting the units camo them? But then were the units still being issued with the paint since the order to perform factory camo was in effect? Most of the pictures of StuGs during the Ardennes are destroyed and burned out.

Interested in the narrow time frame of vehicles produced from September thru November 1944. If it helps looking to be able to portray 2. Pz, 9. Pz, 116. Pz, Pz Lehr, and FBB.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Max

This doesn't answer your general question but here are some examples:

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This should give you some ideas: link

Wolfhag

Try this link as well.

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Thanks all for the links; I've seen them previously, but looking again it appears a few of the 1945 ones have similar patterns, but again, who knows if this was factory or not?

I was hoping there was an authoritative source like the Abteilung 502 Panther book on the StuG/StuH series that i just was not aware of. But it's looking like that isn't the case…?

Does anybody know if the Panzer Tracts books contain any good camo depictions? Was thinking it might be good to confirm/deny my understanding of the Panzer IV J, and Panzer IV/70(V) and (A). But want to check before dropping $50 USD+ on books.

Thanks

Hello Mad Max,

I have some photos of several late '44 to early '45 Stug IIIs. They appear to have a common camo pattern which leads me to believe this was a factory (probably Alkett) applied scheme. Contact me at ritoewsATmts.net and I'll send you the information.

Ryan