dr beard | 25 Oct 2016 6:06 a.m. PST |
Afternoon all, I'm looking for some suitable vehicles to transport the chaps around as they fight off the locals on the North West Frontier in the 20s. What was historically accurate and does anyone have any good suggestions in 20mm or 1/72nd scale? Thanks for you help Andy |
Kevin C | 25 Oct 2016 6:19 a.m. PST |
Wrong scale, but these might work: link link I hope this helps, Kevin |
22ndFoot | 25 Oct 2016 7:50 a.m. PST |
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Durban Gamer | 25 Oct 2016 8:34 a.m. PST |
The Age of Glory 3rd Afghan War figs look superb. Does anyone know, what highland regiment served in the 3rd Afghan war? |
Gaz0045 | 25 Oct 2016 8:40 a.m. PST |
I use these types as generic trucks 1920+…… strip out the cargos and add floors, repaint…….. auction |
Vintage Wargaming | 25 Oct 2016 10:25 a.m. PST |
For later 20s Morris Commercial D or Crossley BGV, both available in resin from Matador Models – best way to get them is through Scale Link, if they have stock. Fitz on Shapeways has done a lovely Burford Kegresse MG carrier – never went to India as far as I know but way cool. Raventhorpe do a Hathi for another colourful option. For early 20s any of the WW1 trucks should be fine. In 1/72 Reviresco make some nice vehicles – Rolls Royce tender and armoured car, Crossley tender etc. but if you are in the U.K. Exchange rates and possible customs charges make them too expensive. Early War Miniatures do a range of Ford Model T light car patrols – 4 different variants – which might offer you something |
Umpapa | 25 Oct 2016 11:55 a.m. PST |
Good question, I have the same one. I also need such transport. I though about these ones: link link
link Still wondering about historicity. |
Vintage Wargaming | 25 Oct 2016 12:21 p.m. PST |
Umpapa Your first link is the one I posted to the EWM light car patrols. There were very few Carden Loyd one man tanks and none in India. You would be better off with a Carden Loyd carrier. I'm not sure any of those found their way to India but at least there were loads of them. In fact their were "India" versions of some of the light tanks, artillery tractors. The Morris and Bedfords 15 cwt trucks etc in your last link from EWM would work for late 1930s but not for 1920s as in OP's question |
22ndFoot | 25 Oct 2016 12:57 p.m. PST |
My link to the pair of boots was only partly in jest. It would seem that motor transport was rare on the frontier in the 1920s and, even where it was use, confined to a growing network of roads. This is an interesting article link which suggests that, at least in 1925, the marching infantry man and pack mules were most common. Tactics using more modern transport and weapons were considered but they were generally unavailable: "A combination of drastic cutbacks in the military budget and lack of skilled Indian personnel, however, decided the issue by preventing the acquisition of large quantities of new arms and equipment. The infantryman and pack mule still reigned supreme in frontier warfare. As Captain Mervyn Gompertz concluded in the Army Quarterly in 1925: One cardinal fact remains. The use of the Lewis gun enables a reduction in the strength of piquets and to increase fire effect: the motor vehicle and the tractor may speed up operations: wireless telegraphy may add the personal touch: the glider may become the infantry of the air to assist the infantry of the ground: yet the age long principle remains that it is the soldier who will win or lose the frontier [17]." |
dr beard | 26 Oct 2016 2:09 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the responses everyone. Now where can I get mules from? |
PeterEm | 26 Oct 2016 2:23 a.m. PST |
As 22nd Foot indicates, motor transport was quite rare on the Frontier well into the 1920s, for all the reasons indicated. The most popular types in the early days were Indian Service Pattern RAF Leylands and Thorneycrofts, both de-rated from 3 to 2 tons and fitted with disc rather than spoked wheels and extended front canopies. There were other internal mods to cope with the extreme heat and terrible roads; and apparently the Leylands at least could be modified to run on rails. I've also seen references to Albions used by the ASC, Vulcan motor ambulances and even Lewis-gun armed Norton motorbikes & sidecars used in the Third Afghan War. No reference to Fords though. |
GrumpyOldMan | 26 Oct 2016 2:20 p.m. PST |
Hello dr beard EWM has mules that could be used – link Cheers GrumpyOldMan |
Bellbottom | 27 Oct 2016 3:45 a.m. PST |
John Masters in 'Bugles and a Tiger' gives a good description of a Gurkha battalion marching from home to the NW Frontier. |