| ITALWARS | 15 Oct 2016 4:23 a.m. PST |
link as an Italian i find this useless , expensive sterile show of force …incomprehensible..but i see the good point…they could be useful to the other military force's mess in teaching them, at least, how to prepare spaghetti |
| Altefritz | 15 Oct 2016 5:10 a.m. PST |
Moreover, it is out of Italian Laws: the Parliament was not informed. It looks like: "I need some dead to be at the peace talks" a sinister phrase pronounced June 10, 1940. |
 Jeff Ewing  | 15 Oct 2016 5:41 a.m. PST |
"Moreover, it is out of Italian Laws: the Parliament was not informed" -- There's a lot of that going around lately. |
| ITALWARS | 15 Oct 2016 6:03 a.m. PST |
Altefritz….i can assure you that…as the majority of Italians are now aware of..that not many differences..in the field of freedom of thinking and information to citizens ecc..can be detected between June 1940 and today's sort of régime |
| Tgunner | 15 Oct 2016 9:28 a.m. PST |
It looks like a company that will join other companies to form an international battalion to me. I'm sure it will cost the Italian taxpayer billions… Would you prefer that Italy sends a battalion? Brigade? Division? It is what it is. A trip-wire force. Not enough that any reasonable person would say is a serious threat to Russia, but enough that if Russia invades Lithuania that they'll have to fight soldiers from Italy and whoever else is there. They will fight, and either fall back or be defeated and that would bring Italy fully into the fight. We Americans have been doing this for a while with the 173rd Airborne (who is stationed in Italy by the way) who has been sending a company sized element to the Baltics to show the flag and be the tripwire. It's part of being in NATO- Article 5 and so on and so forth. What do you think would be a better plan??? |
| troopwo | 15 Oct 2016 9:47 a.m. PST |
Think of it as disposable infantry. It is the equivalent to the old ACE Mobile Force that was slated for operations in Norway in the old days. Not really capable of doing much, but it ties the NATO countries into the defense of each other. |
| basileus66 | 15 Oct 2016 12:23 p.m. PST |
.in the field of freedom of thinking and information to citizens ecc..can be detected between June 1940 and today's sort of régime Really? How come that you can express your ideas so forcibly then? Ah! The times we live! You can't even trust a dictatorship to do its job properly! Not like in the good old days… |
| Tgunner | 15 Oct 2016 12:36 p.m. PST |
Well Mussolini was pretty easy going as far as dictators go, and not terribly efficient either. Now Stalin, there's a dictator for you. However I will grant that getting proper instruction in spaghetti preparation is quite vital and useful! Perhaps they'll hook up with an American company and the troopies can have pizza and spaghetti! I might re-up for that. 
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| Waco Joe | 15 Oct 2016 2:31 p.m. PST |
It looks to be Canadian led so maybe yourtroops will come back with an appreciation of poutine  |
| ITALWARS | 15 Oct 2016 4:23 p.m. PST |
"my troops"?????…employed to treathen Putin/Russia sovereignty protecting maybe rockets batteries aimed against them…not in my name please….
anyway it seem another ridicolous moove for internal propaganda ..probably less effective, despite the cost, that the token support given to the puppet Lybian Gvt….not last the fact that the efficiency, thanks to the total absence or effective rule of engagement (as we daily saw in Afghanstan). is practically nil…do you remenber Somalia?..to fire a round they had to call and ask permission directly to Rome..i imagine the Canadians will have a lot of work to do to lead those kind of allies |
| Deadles | 16 Oct 2016 5:56 p.m. PST |
Would you prefer that Italy sends a battalion? Brigade? Division?
Given Italy has a mere 3 infantry divisions left, it would be really quite unsustainable. And one of those divisions is understrength with only 2 brigades instead of 3. Funnily enough, just like in WWII modern Italian tanks (ie Ariete) are underpowered, unreliable (2 coupled V6s) and under armoured. Guess some lessons are never learned. Much like modern German forces, I've not read much good about modern Italians. The French in Mali didn't want NATO help because most NATO forces fight under restrictive rules of engagements and apparently avoid fighting. Thus they preferred Chadian and other African troops. Though the French didn't perform much better in Afghanistan (e.g. a whole platoon wiped out in an ambush in Uzbin in 2008. Indeed Americans I Afghanistan apparently used to joke that ISAF stood for "I Suck At Fighting." The only NATO Europeans forces that seem to get good performance reviews are the Danes, Dutch and Norwegians. The British failure to pacify Basra and then be besieged in their airbase by Mahdi militia and require rescuing by American and Iraqi units puts their overall capability into doubt. Special forces get good reports regardless but armies are more than just special forces. The Europeans have spent 20+ years dismantling their militaries and many have spent even longer dismantling any elements of martial culture. Good performance is thus difficult to attain. |
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