"Term for Plate Armor Period" Topic
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Louie N | 11 Oct 2016 8:21 a.m. PST |
Hello, Is there a correct term for the state of armor during the Early 14th century; the early portion of the 100 Years War? This is a period where the Knights would still have a full mail hauberk, but plate use was increasing over the arms and legs, and perhaps the body, but is hard to tell with the surcoats. Is this called "transitional" platemail? It is not yet the full suits we see in the next century. examples are shown below
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Garand | 11 Oct 2016 8:47 a.m. PST |
Yes, I usually see it termed as transitional armor. Damon. |
Griefbringer | 11 Oct 2016 8:57 a.m. PST |
In wargaming terms, the 14th century suits of plate and mail is also sometimes known as "partial plate armour" while the 15th century suits are termed "full plate armour". |
thorr666 | 11 Oct 2016 9:53 a.m. PST |
There's no such thing as 'platemail' it's just plate armour |
John Treadaway | 11 Oct 2016 10:44 p.m. PST |
There's no such thing as 'platemail' it's just plate armour Surely – although it might be a modern, imposed distinction, it's still 'distinct'? 'Plate' is generally seen as a full suit of plate armour, over mail, isn't it? So called 'platemail' is generally taken to mean a less completely encasing plate over mail. A modern distinction, maybe, but not so different to describing 'plate' Roman torso armour by its modern, ascribed (but – as far as I'm aware – invented) name of 'segmentata'. John T |
The Last Conformist | 12 Oct 2016 3:16 a.m. PST |
If there's a distinction between "platemail" and "plate armour", it's widely ignored. WP redirects the former to the latter, frex. "Transitional armour" (which does have a separate WP page) is the the term I'm familiar with for plate-and-mail armour of the 14th century. There's also "plated mail" for similar armour types from the Middle East and Asia. |
Vigilant | 12 Oct 2016 5:15 a.m. PST |
From the tour I had at the Royal Armouries last year mail is chain links, plate is shaped metal and contemporary descriptions do not use different terms. Words like chainmail and platemail are later descriptions. Any distinctions used in gaming terms are just that, for the purpose of the game being played. Not historically accurate, but useful. |
Garand | 12 Oct 2016 10:44 a.m. PST |
I blame Gary Gygax for the common usage of "Platemail" and "Chainmail" in gamer lexicon… Damon. |
MajorB | 12 Oct 2016 10:53 a.m. PST |
Words like chainmail and platemail are later descriptions. The correct term for armour made of interlinked rings is "mail". It has never been "chainmail". The correct term for armour made of formed plates of steel is "plate". To call it "platemail" is completely wrong. It is either plate or mail. It cannot be both. |
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