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Captain Gideon07 Oct 2016 11:24 a.m. PST

I've got a question which has been asked many times before but here goes.

When you're painting Medieval mounted Knights are they all painted differently?

I ask this because in some of the movies I've seen it appears that way,since almost all the Knights are Nobles or the King I wanted to know that.

As for Foot Knights would that apply also or do I have more flexibility for them.

As for the standard Foot Troops/rank and file how would they be painted?

Any help would be most grateful.

Thanks
Michael

wrgmr107 Oct 2016 11:41 a.m. PST

It depends on what time period or army you are painting. My Burgundian army has a lot of figures with blue and white heraldry, though not all.

Captain Gideon07 Oct 2016 12:21 p.m. PST

The Knights I have are 100 Years War French and English plastic figures from various makers like Zvezda,Italeri etc.

Now I would love to get some 15mm 100 Years War Knights but money is tight and I have to go with what I have on hand which is the plastic figures.

wrgmr107 Oct 2016 2:26 p.m. PST

Plastics can look great with a little work and great basing.
Google 100 years war heraldry and you will find lots of references.
Bottom line, knights would all be different, however some knights will have squires in their heraldry. So two or three similar. Some knights raise their own companies of men at arms so they would have similar heraldry as well.
Foot knights same as mounted, different heraldry. Mix it up for fun and color.
If you go to photobucket and look up tjm3 there's lots of photos of my army plus other knights.

Eumelus07 Oct 2016 2:30 p.m. PST

If a man was entitled to his own arms then he absolutely would wear it – it would have been the gravest of insults to suggest otherwise. All knights and higher nobility should bear their own arms.

However, not all men-at-arms were gentle-born. Many professional warriors were commoners and hence might well wear clothing supplied to them by their lord, perhaps in his livery colors or some simplified version of his arms. You could therefore paint a "knightly" unit in a combination of styles – the front rank all or mostly all with individual heraldry, and the following ranks in one or more liveries.

There was no such thing, strictly speaking, as "foot knights" – only men-at-arms who had dismounted either because of circumstances (the horses were dead or starving, as happened sometimes in the Crusades), or because the situation required it (for an assault on a town), or because it had been ordered by the king and/or had become standard national practice, as with the English gentry in the 100 Years War and later. All true feudal "units" of chivalric men-at-arms could be horsed or afoot as the situation dictated.

Captain Gideon07 Oct 2016 3:38 p.m. PST

wrgmr1 I went to Phobucket and used tjm3 and could only find one picture and no other pictures.

Can you tell me exactly how to find your pictures like maybe including a link to your Album where you have your pictures?

Michael

wrgmr107 Oct 2016 4:09 p.m. PST

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Captain Gideon07 Oct 2016 5:19 p.m. PST

These are great pictures and the figures are fantastic so are these 28mm?

How many figures do you have if I may ask?

Michael

wrgmr107 Oct 2016 9:21 p.m. PST

Thanks Michael.
The Burgundians are 28mm Front Rank Figures. I have approximately just under 300. I sold a number of painted Old Glory figures, and bought more unpainted Front Rank to replace them, around 80 pike. They have yet to be painted. I've been painting Napoleonic Prussians but are next up.

Captain Gideon07 Oct 2016 10:17 p.m. PST

I wish I had your painting skill.

Have you used them in games and if so(pardon me if I said this somewhere else)what rules do you use?

Michael

uglyfatbloke08 Oct 2016 5:03 a.m. PST

Wearing other people's livery, yes. Wearing other people's heraldry, no.
Beware the term/ squire' incidentally. In the 12-14 C. it just means a non-knighted landholder – that's to say most of them – as in 'Fred Bloggs esquire' or 'Squire Trelawney'.
Arming squires are a slightly later thing and out of my period so I've no view on that.
Lots of landholders (in England and Scotland at least) had to provide men-at-arms; though they might not be knights themselves. In England (though not in Scotland) that often extended to Abbeys etc as well. Such men-at-arms might be hired in or subinfeudated for 'knight service', but, again, they would not, as a general rule, be knights, if only because you had to pay them more.

uglyfatbloke08 Oct 2016 5:03 a.m. PST

Oh…and I envy your painting skills as well.

wrgmr108 Oct 2016 9:09 a.m. PST

Truth be told, I didn't paint all of these figures. I bought just over 100 of them from a chap many years ago. I just copied to the best of my ability to copy his style.

Some of these are pictures of a game a friend of mine and I put on at Enfilade 2 years ago. An English invasion of Burgundy. We use Armati 2 rules, hence the large armies. All units are based on 60mm x 60mm bases. Heavy infantry and cavalry are two bases per unit. Light infantry and skirmishers are one base. It's a good rule set that we play regularly with ancient, medieval and renaissance figures.

Try this photobucket link.

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By John 5408 Oct 2016 10:05 a.m. PST

They are really inspiring pictures, the pike blocks look amazing!

John

wrgmr108 Oct 2016 2:28 p.m. PST

Thanks gents.

maverick290908 Oct 2016 6:55 p.m. PST

It depends on the period. My War of the Roses army is pretty consistent with the red and blue color patterns. My Feudal English however has every knight painted up in his own livery.

Puster Supporting Member of TMP10 Oct 2016 9:48 a.m. PST

Most movies showing "uniformed" men are just lazy or neglegtigent in research. Or do not care.

Uniforms were so exceptional that they were mentioned when used, eg. for the guard of Cesare Borgia. While common badges or even badges of cloth might come with the same appearance, they usually would not last long, and soldiers usually were not only allowed to use personal items, but obliged to provide replacements from their own salary. Looking the same would be common, but not the norm – looking identical would be rare indeed.

Just imho…

uglyfatbloke23 Oct 2016 8:26 a.m. PST

Spot-on Puster

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