"40k" Topic

Is the latest edition of 40K worth getting into. last I played was 5th edition? i have like 2250 pts of World Eaters, and a lot of unpainted Dark Angels. Still didn't like what they did to Warhammer Fantasy, i know it was a business decision, but i am aloud to have a gripe if I want. Also are the new paints made in china? I know most things are made in china these days but i won't buy food or liquids made in china.

I don't know about the Citadel paints' origin of manufacture but 7th edition is far better than the 5th. The major difference between the current edition of 40K and earlier incarnations is that you have much more flexibility in army creation and force composition. The various force detachments are flavorful and come with their own special rules and abilities.

This has both advantages and disadvantages. While it allows for more fun and interesting games with the myriad possibilities, it also creates built-in imbalances among different armies. Army A might match up well vs. Army B, but Army C might not.

But who cares? We play for fun and not to "win at any cost" right? Now I will yield the floor to all the GW bashers who will try to dissuade you from making the "fatal mistake" of getting back into 40K, like our esteemed Mr. Mithmee.

As far as I know Citadel Paints are made by HMG in Manchester.The same company that makes the Wargames Foundry range, Cote de Arms, and possibly others.

I don't know if it's still the case – but a while back the Chinese government banned the export of paint. I think they were getting a bit fed up with the constant toxicity scares at the time!

Is the latest edition of 40K worth getting into.

I don't think so. You will need to buy probably $500 USD worth of new models (flyers and AA) to not get roflstomped. I don't think that investment is worth it (not to mention that the flyers are generally pretty ugly).

As far as the paints go, walk into a store and look. They are required by law to have their country of origin on the label. I don't have any of the new paints, else I'd look for you.

The bottle I picked up Wednesday says "Made in the UK."

I observe as a primarily historical player with some fantasy and SF armies that I'm always a little leery of the combination of copyrighted rules and copyrighted troops from the same source. It does create an incentive to render old armies ineffective--or outlaw them--each time the rules are revised.

Historical miniatures rules are of course sometimes--even annoyingly often--revised. But you never open up a new edition to find the Westphalian Army is no longer supported, or your Union army can't compete unless you buy three regiments of troops you never heard of before.

If you 1) like 40k and 2) 40k is being played by people you gane with, then yes, it is definitely worth getting. I can safely say this without even having seen the rules.

For paint I would check out the local Hobby store.

Either Hobby Lobby or Michaels

Very large selection.

Far cheaper and more paint as well.

you have much more flexibility in army creation and force composition

That one is also the great weakness of the game. A "good" composition means the other side has no chance of winning (as in <1% when at the same skill). Some armies are decisively stronger as they are favoured with far better rules and lesser point costs then others, sometimes some units are better then others (usually those with expensive new models).

If you have people you know who enjoy the game for its background and the sake of fun, go ahead, its wonderful. If you play against random opponents, its harder. If you want to play competetive, you either play their game (buy the best units) or look somewhere else. Playing the army or units you like is not an option then – the balancing was sacrified on the altar of sales.

My 6yo son can beat me with any army no matter what I take. He thinks it's balanced.

I would say give it a shot. You already have the models for the game. My impression is that the core rules are better than in previous editions but I am indifferent to the list building aspects of the latest editions, and the visuals on the table just put me off: dude with pistol and whatever facing off 4 feet from some enormous war machine.

Do they still let you use oop models?

Just try not to play somewhere where "they" decide on what models you may use. On tournaments GW models are usually fine, even when they are OOP.

Depending on how much you want to involve yourself in rules, you can use Tomorrows War to play any future skirmish conflict – you just need to decide for yourself what relative technology levels the forces are (and on what account, like armour, surveillance, weapons). If you know the background (and thus the failings of the game respective that background) you will probably enjoy that. Or another set of rules…

40Kis great, 30k is better. You have most of what you need. Get a few games in and see how you like them.

I just introduced my 8yo son and 9yo daughter to 1st Edition Space Hulk. They loved it. Now they want to go to the local "Warhammer" Shop (when did they stop being Games Workshops?) and spend all my money on new figures. I just say "No, that's what eBay is for". 8 new Terminators for less than £20.00 GBP… unlike the £20.00 GBP for one fine-cast from the shop.

Love them or hate them, they do nice miniatures. I'd say that if you have the cash to get the latest game then go for it, otherwise just play the old stuff.

What's all this about winning and army builds and competitive play? Doesn't seem much like the game I used to play.

Actually I rarely won a game of 1st Edition/Rogue Trader but I don't remember it denting my enjoyment much.