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leobarron200030 Sep 2016 9:06 a.m. PST

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I've searched online looking for the uniforms of 73rd New York at Gettysburg, and I have seen two different examples. The B&W of the veterans don't help much. They wore kepis instead of the tasseled beanies other zouaves wore atop their head. That's all the photos could tell me. Thanks ahead of time.

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2016 1:33 p.m. PST

From the image of the veterans, it looks very much like they have a standard blue Zouave jacket with sky blue trim, sky blue trousers, and sky blue kepis. Red would appear a greyish shade, and yellow appears as black in those types of images, so sky blue looks to be the color.

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There is also an image of a seated SGT which appears to show a NY state issue jacket, or perhaps a "volunteer" or "Ohio" type shell jacket, also trimmed in light blue, though red cannot completely be ruled out. What this image DOES show is a dark band at the base of the kepi, probably dark blue.

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leobarron200030 Sep 2016 1:56 p.m. PST

I've seen the same photo but couldn't discern the colors. If the pants are sky blue, then what about the stripe along the legs? Thanks.

d effinger30 Sep 2016 5:01 p.m. PST

According to everything I have found, only _ONE_ company had their Chasseur uniforms. The rest had standard issue Sack coats and sky blue trousers.

Don

leobarron200030 Sep 2016 5:06 p.m. PST

Interesting. Only one company.

d effinger30 Sep 2016 5:10 p.m. PST

Yes according to Coates and Winey both. So… that's all I know. I have nothing else to go by.

Don

leobarron200030 Sep 2016 5:27 p.m. PST

Thanks

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2016 5:17 a.m. PST

The stripe is likely gold, a metallic bullion. Very popular with pre/early-war units on both sides of the conflict

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2016 5:24 a.m. PST

One other point. Note how clean the canteen strap is, as well as the straps on the knapsack, etc. I'd bet dollars to donuts that these items belonged to the photographer, as props for his subjects.

These were common in all photography studios, and is one reason why I caution folks about drawing conclusions on soldier's equipments in studio images. Soldiers didn't take their weapons and accouterments with them when they went off-post or out of camp. The image-makers supplied them for that "warlike" countenance for the folks back home.

Having said that, there ARE a handful of "studio" images where we know the gear belonged to the soldiers. The knapsacks, for example, have the unit's number stenciled on them, they are wearing gear known to be issued to those troops, etc. Mostly this is because the photographer had rented a parlor beside the camp or had a series of flats built to simulate a parlor or room which could be broken down for transport. Anything to gain access and make a few dollars, etc.

donlowry01 Oct 2016 8:16 a.m. PST

My guess is that the cap is red with a dark blue band around the bottom -- standard French (and thus Zouave) style. It appears to be a slightly darker shade of gray than the trousers.

leobarron200002 Oct 2016 5:15 a.m. PST

Thanks everyone for the input.

Regulars08 Oct 2016 4:43 a.m. PST

This is a wet collodion plate print. The shades of grey in a collodion print are not rendered like modern film. Warm colors are dark and cool colors are uniformly light. So lemons and tomatoes are black. The judgements on color need to reflect this. So what happens is that a lady in a bright yellow dress would appear as if in a black dress.

donlowry08 Oct 2016 8:50 a.m. PST

Then why is his "cool" blue jacket dark?

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