Tango01 | 28 Sep 2016 9:42 p.m. PST |
"Fidel Castro and his rag-tag band of fighters assembled on the shores of Mexico, stealthily navigated their overcrowded boat to southeastern Cuba, and unleashed a 1956 insurgency that rocked all of Latin America. That temblor lasted 60 years and ended, more or less, on Monday. Castro seized power in 1959, and his brother Raul still rules Cuba today. The revolution washed over the entire region, inspiring leftist insurgencies throughout Latin America for decades until the final one effectively came to a close as the Colombian government and the FARC rebels signed a peace deal in the Colombian coastal city of Cartagena. "Long live Colombia, long live peace," the crowd chanted as Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos and rebel leader Rodrigo Londono, both dressed in all white, shook hands on Monday evening…" More here link It is that … we are so peaceful! (smile) Amicalement Armand |
Zyphyr | 29 Sep 2016 4:48 a.m. PST |
We can't be having that. Time to invade Canada. |
USAFpilot | 29 Sep 2016 6:44 a.m. PST |
We will always have Chicago |
Legion 4 | 29 Sep 2016 8:24 a.m. PST |
As noted … it seems what one defines as "War" … |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 29 Sep 2016 9:15 a.m. PST |
Drug wars definitely qualify. Seen 'Sicario' yet? |
piper909 | 29 Sep 2016 12:03 p.m. PST |
Why doesn't somebody DO something!?! Something crazee? |
Tango01 | 29 Sep 2016 12:14 p.m. PST |
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Rod I Robertson | 29 Sep 2016 1:21 p.m. PST |
The War on Terror, the War on Drugs, police liquidating the poor in Brazil, Columbia, Mexico, Argentina, Peru, and an economic/race war in the USA. And now, a new Cold War. Yup, it's totally peaceful. Really, it is! Really! Enjoy the delusion. Cheers. Rod Robertson |
ITALWARS | 30 Sep 2016 8:25 a.m. PST |
"police liquidating the poor in Brazil, Columbia, Mexico, Argentina, Peru" ????…so we are let us knownig that you side against the police and the law and in support of delinquents |
Tango01 | 30 Sep 2016 11:01 a.m. PST |
Police liquidating… is over the world my friend… not just in here… (smile). Amicalement Armand |
Apache 6 | 30 Sep 2016 11:24 a.m. PST |
"an economic/race war in the USA." The US is not in an race war. There are people who have done tremendous damage to race relations over the last few years. Some of it has been done intentionally to divide the citizens of the US and it is reprehensible. It is doing tremendous damage, mostly to the Black community. Teaching someone to identify as a victim and to see law enforcement officers as the enemy is not good for the individual or the community. |
USAFpilot | 30 Sep 2016 11:29 a.m. PST |
I wish more of the right type of "police liquidating" was going on around the world. Too many drug dealers and gangs in our society. |
Mako11 | 30 Sep 2016 11:18 p.m. PST |
So, the war on women is a lie? What about the war on drugs, cops, etc., etc.. I like Duterte's stance on the drug dealers. |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 4:22 a.m. PST |
Mako 11: Have a wee read about your up-and-coming, favourite Pacific dictator and see if he's still worthy of the cult of personality. This is one of the more gentle articles about the man as, in Jack Nicolson's angry dialogue (which some here might have difficulty accepting) – "You can't handle the truth!". link Cheers. Rod Robertson |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 4:46 a.m. PST |
Italwars: I side with the Rule of Law and support police who follow it. I do not support extra-judicial killing of even the baddest people, because that inevitably breeds a state and political culture which is more dangerous than the thugs liquidated in the first place. History shows us that fate rewards the wilfully cruel and self-empowered with concentrated power but that such people poison society and turn it into a nightmare. Caesar, …, Medici, Sforza, De' Medici, … Crispi, Mussolini, Berlusconi, etc. Better a few baddies on the street than a few baddies in power. Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 4:51 a.m. PST |
Tango 01: Murder and manslaughter occur globally. That does not mean we should not try to punish and discourage such crimes here, no matter who the murderer is. Blue serves but does not rule. Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 5:37 a.m. PST |
Apache 6: I agree with you. The US is not embroiled in a race war. It is embroiled in several parallel race wars, not just one. All of these are off-shoots of a wider political/economic war which pits the weak vs. the powerful, the poor against the rich, the rural vs. the urban and visible minorities vs. the visible but diminishing majority. Ask First Nations people like the Lakota whether there is a race-war going on in America. Ask Mexican and Latin Americans with illegal alien/undocumented relatives whether there is race war in the bosom of the Republic. Ask the African-Americans of Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, or D.C. if there is a war on the horizon. Ask the White militia groups which are drilling and preparing for an impending race-based Ragnarok in the USA. Ironically, while the violence is going down, the problem is getting worse because of the revolution of communications through Social Media and the proliferation of powerful fire-arms to the disenfranchised and alienated. This makes fringe groups who might otherwise be contained and marginalised far more potent in stirring up widespread trouble. So I agree there is no one race war in the USA, there are many and they are symptomatic of something much bigger – violent kulturkampf is coming if wise folk don't begin to defuse tensions and redress the real and perceived injustices which will fuel the impending conflagration. Cheers? Rod Robertson. |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 5:42 a.m. PST |
Apologies to Jack Nicholson for spelling his name incorrectly and not noticing the error until the edit grace-period had expired. Rod Robertson |
ITALWARS | 01 Oct 2016 6:01 a.m. PST |
yes Rod I Robertson,but your analysis, wich i reject totally is polluted by a one side only political agenda which is comunism… in your review of Italian leaders that, in your opinion, are all bad examples..you dare to mention Mr Berlusconi, Crispi and not the actual one which had, among other things, not be elected by people-..you talk about Brasil and other Latin American Countries that are , trough their police, liquidating the poors…while the reality is , as you're certainly aware o of, exactly the opposite!….in the majority of cases, Latin America' s countries ..(thank's god Argentina has changed the tide) …are lead by left wing leaders, former belonging to terrorist left wing organisation (Sendero Luminoso, Tupamaros, Monteneros ecc..)..in many case after having won thanks to skulduggery elections , internationaly supported by the wetern capitalism as their puppets, and violently liquidating not what you call the poors (which in fact are their mass of maneuver for their regimes and without any ambition to find work as they are gained to the cause thanks to subsidies)but the intelectula and student/worker class!…so the opposite of what you told us… |
ITALWARS | 01 Oct 2016 6:07 a.m. PST |
"Ask Mexican and Latin Americans with illegal alien/undocumented relatives whether there is race war in the bosom of the Republic." but why should we bother to ask them if the only fact taht they are in the "Republic" is an infringment of the law…as they are illegals… |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 6:37 a.m. PST |
Italwars: You lost me here: … you dare to mention Mr Berlusconi, Crispi and not the actual one which had, among other things, not be elected by people- Who is this unelected, mysterious person you seem to cite? And for the sake of brevity please feel free to call me Rod. Oh, and one does not have to be a communist to see the flaws of emperors, strongmen and fascists, Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
ITALWARS | 01 Oct 2016 6:46 a.m. PST |
there is a rule on TMP that forbid to speak about current politics…a rule that both of us have already infriged..so also if i cannot mention him…try to read about the actual Italian leader..the restrictions of free thinkig ecc.. and then compare to Mr Berlusconi, Mussolini or the North Korean Leader… |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 7:11 a.m. PST |
Italwars: Berlusconi, the most recent politician which I cited, was elected Prime Minister in 1994. That is well before the the 10 years from the present restriction on politics. Thus, I have broken no rule in my post to you. It is very difficult to conduct a conversation with you if you will not identify the person or persons you cite in your argument. I am not good with penetrating the meaning of diffuse metaphor and Italian arcana. Cheers. Rod Robertson |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 7:26 a.m. PST |
Italwars: So the Argentinian Junta of 1976-83 and the Brazilian Ditadura Militar from 1964-85 were left-wing plots? That's like saying Venezuelan Chavistas are right-wing goons or that the Castro brothers were champions of extreme liberalism! Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Tango01 | 01 Oct 2016 11:04 a.m. PST |
"Murder and manslaughter occur globally. That does not mean we should not try to punish and discourage such crimes here, no matter who the murderer is. Blue serves but does not rule…" Of course not my friend. About how to live under a "left" government… I can tell you that apart from they they were not even remotely… (they said they defend the poors and now… we take note about the real statistics were the poors grow up from 7% to 30% in their period…)… and they stolen even the last light bulb before going… we also have to live with a terrible terrible fear of crime … because … still today … you do not have the right to defend yourself if a criminal want to rob you or kill you … and if you do … you should not just hire your own criminal lawyer (which is very expensive) … but you must move out of your house because the offender killed belong to a legal association that sends you a mob to burn your house to stone or worse … kill you and your family … they called them "Batallon Militante"… were people on jail for any offense has the "right" to a four times higher than a minimum salary…. paid vacation … mandatory payment transitional passage outputs including … lawyers … … special meal and retirement privileged … when they do nothing in jail and are there to be criminal … We were in the hands of those criminals for 12 years!… And I travel a lot and know that same thing comes to many other "left" South American countries… Ask the Venezuelan how they live!…. Amicalement Armand |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 1:34 p.m. PST |
Tango 01: I agree that the Vatayon Militante are an inexplicable creation and the worst possible perversion born of Peronismo-Kirshnerismo that I have ever seen. But I question the validity of describing Kirshnerismo as socialism. Yes, it like Peronismo, was born out of socialism and gives lip service to socialism but both are really uniquely strange versions of corporatism drawing on the support of powerful interest groups and power blocs within Argentina. Neither ever really were all that concerned with best interests of all or even the majority of your people. Power brokering, influence peddling, corruption and clique driven self-interest seem to drive Kirchnerismo far more than socialist ideology. Having said that, I fully agree that things are well f'ed-up in a country that pays bigger pensions to convicted life-long criminals than to struggling life-long workers. Both Nestor and Cristina have messed things up spectacularly during their tenures. Are the abuses of both left and right the product of the ideologies which each pole embraces or is there something about Argentina (or more widely Latin America) which bends these ideologies to do ill? I don't know but I suspect the latter. But I do not think that the troubles in Argentina have risen to the level of evil that prevailed between 1976 and 1983. Have 30,000 people been murdered or disappeared in the last 12 years of Kirchnerismo corruption and influence peddling? Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Tango01 | 01 Oct 2016 3:46 p.m. PST |
Well… about Peronismo… remember that Peron was a Nazi… so, no so "left" ideas (smile)… then… they show an enourmous arc from the extreme right to the extreme left in their politic way… as I have said here some time ago… it's the Cancer of Argentina… About the darkest period of our history, of course the Junta was the worst… not so many disappeared as you said (if you take note the good work made by the "Nunca Mas" people), maybe half of them… but instead of the number… the worst far away of our poor short life as a county… (you have add the Malvinas/Falkland casualties to them too)… Saying that… I'm not sure that condemned 16 millons people to the worst poverty is not far away to that criminal period… our only hope is that in some moment (like we did with the Junta Criminals) … the justice put them all in jail… They were/are evil my friend… no doubt of that… The worst?… even with those horrible proof of corruption… still 30% of our people support Cristina today… (!!). Amicalement Armand |
Legion 4 | 01 Oct 2016 3:56 p.m. PST |
Ask the White militia groups which are drilling and preparing for an impending race-based Ragnarok in the USA. Them, Neo-Nazis, Black Panthers, Latino gangbangers, zombies, aliens, vampires, etc., … I'm prepared to go down fighting. Since I'm crippled and couldn't even out a zombie … |
ITALWARS | 01 Oct 2016 5:56 p.m. PST |
the strategy is absolutly clear….to use masses of illiterated, poors fellows, addict to uselees things like alcolics and football..pay them at the expense of the taxpayer and the "true" working class..to threat and silence intelectuals, students, entrepreneurs…and let grasp the money profits to criminal gangs of former lef wing terrorist leaders supported by corrupted and perverse priests (doctrine of liberation)…also the mind and culture in Latin America has been pushed to corruption and abasement…the most great South American intelectual Jorge Luis Borges has never been rewarded by the Stockolm intellectual Mafia while , on the other hand, a minor if not meaningless figure like Pérez Esquivel is so acclaimed as to be recently sent to the Vatican to save the boss from an embarassing accusation…. |
GNREP8 | 01 Oct 2016 7:31 p.m. PST |
ITALWARS – 'addicted to useless things like football' – speak for yourself my friend re your views on the beautiful game. On the technical point btw since its an area I have some knowledge of, at least in Brazil elements of the police were killing street children and thats well documented to anyone prepared to take notice. I am not sure I'd agree with Rod ref other countries (i live in Colombia and though only here recently I think the Colombian Police have improved a lot and there are very many decent people working in it) though its clear that there have been problems with death squads in Peru.. Btw 'internationaly supported by the western capitalism as their puppets' – so left wing ex terrorists are the puppets of what most people usually tend to see as Right wing Capitalism (the left after all are hardly great fans of capitalism) – that does kind of show your politics re a certain type of right wing popularism that equally rails against the establishment and the left |
ITALWARS | 01 Oct 2016 7:44 p.m. PST |
for what we all see ..in Brasil that you said to know very well your beloved left wing corrupted govt leaders send the police to shot and rape in every meaning peaceful middle class students that did n't care a bit, in a period of corruption and violence, about the embarassing show staged by their country for the useless, costly and bankrupted world championship of people pursuing , without any reason, a ball in tawdry yellow shirts and underwear..but i understand you have a political (and boring) agenda to support.. GRREP8 one suggestion ..as you support those people ..why don't you give all your money, house and work to them |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Oct 2016 8:19 p.m. PST |
GNREP8: You have moved to Columbia? I thought you were a copper from Liverpool. Boy, you get around. Well anyway, re Columbia and violence the Buenaventura Militias turf war which peaked between 2011-14 but still goes on today and the recent killings and disappearances in Altos de la Florida are just two examples of the hidden war still raging there. The recent peace deal with FARC. may bode well for the future but many on both sides of the conflict are skeptical. Cheers and good luck in your new digs. Rod Robertson. |
GNREP8 | 01 Oct 2016 11:29 p.m. PST |
ITALWARS. Where did I say I was a fan of the former govt of Brazil in pointing out thats it well documented that within the Brazilian police there were rogue groups engaged in killing street kids. If you dont get football well its a free country – most of my friends whether left, right or centre would disagree with you. I was working in a Law Enforcement role in the UK for many years and personally as a Christian who worked in a profession that was about the law and justice, I dont agree with extra-judicial killings of any type – does that make me a Leftist? That includes extra-judicial killings by some personnel of the Brazilian police regardless of who the govt was. You have your agenda, I have mine – our opinions on each others are unlikely to coincide. Fortunately we both come from free countries. Rod thanks for your kind wishes. As to what is happening in Colombia – the para-military and drugs gangs are still around and there is corruption of course in the police – you can read it in the papers as its the police etc who are bringing such cases to light. Altos de La Florida is not an area I know in terms of Bogota – the infamous ones are neighbourhoods like Kennedy and Ciudad Bolivar which are crime riven. I think its an area of a nearby town – but thanks for mentioning it. Unfortunately many people have fled in from the countryside during the years of the activities of FARC and also the appalling para-military groups and the narcos – on different ends of the poltical spectrum but in practice all equally bad news to the average Colombian. That leads to a lot of people and not enough work. Buenaventura is due to the drugs issue just a dangerous place and one I certainly wont ever be visiting. |
ITALWARS | 02 Oct 2016 3:00 a.m. PST |
GNREP..considering my age..i play weekly five a side fotball…(of course i 'm not a fan of the popular "AS Roma") but of the other more snobish team of my city..:-) .i'm an active handball player (league two) ..so you can be sure that i appreciate sports including football…but that 's did'nt stop me to think that Brasil World Cup stadiums..(full of upper class brasilians and not of people from favelas to which the take his support ) were simply ludus gladiatorius to distract international comunity from the harsh repression against students more than street kids and from corruption that were the main aspect of this another left wing Govt. |
Ottoathome | 02 Oct 2016 8:05 a.m. PST |
Dear Rod I Robertson I agree with you -- mostly. What I'd LIKE to do with regard to drug dealers, users, and gangs is what they teach in the Reinhard Heydrich School of Government / Civil relations. But that's not what we HAVE to do. Unfortunately we must live by the law and respect for it even if those predators in society who do wrong have no respect for it. As frustrating as it may be we cannot take the short cut. In the bigger scheme of things those people who flaunt and mock the law and work evil on their fellow man DESERVE to be treated as per what Ol' Reinhard would do. But the rest of the citizenry do not, nor to live under such a system. Therefore we allow the monsters and sociopaths all the protections we give to the just and worthwhile citizens. I have faith because it is the criminality, and violent and avaricious appetites and emotions of the criminality that in the end destroys themselves and justice catches up with them. |
Weasel | 02 Oct 2016 4:37 p.m. PST |
Today we murder drug dealers. Tomorrow, it turns out that all our political enemies just happened to confess to dealing drugs. Amazing. |
GNREP8 | 02 Oct 2016 5:19 p.m. PST |
Appears (99.92% votes in) that the Yes Vote to accept the Havana accord has lost to No. Turnout was not great for what was a vote to end a war – 37%. Not sure if that indicates that people were not bothered either way or stayed away as a protest against the whole process. Seems strange as a foreigner that people can be apathetic about such a process when its their sons etc who end up in the army or FARC etc. Over 250k either spoiled or blank votes – given that margin on vicctory for No is looking like about 50k votes then not insignificant.Worrying time re what happens next – cant see FARC waiting in the asembly areas for months and months whilst talks start again. Pres Santos already said (maybe as a tactic to get a Yes vote) that there is no Plan B – only a return to war |
ITALWARS | 02 Oct 2016 5:33 p.m. PST |
the only fact that International Comunity accepted a vote for an accord in which 2 of the 3 actors where a terrorist and one of the few remaining comunist dictators in the world..is a shame….lucly the people choosed no..If Santos is a true he have to protect his people and call for an international military support to wipe out the guerilla leaders that already were on the verge of colapse … |
Rod I Robertson | 02 Oct 2016 5:55 p.m. PST |
Well former Columbian President Uribe must be happy. He can now wait for President Santos to fall and then he can begin to liquidate the 7,000 FARC fighters and the 18,000 FARC followers rather than integrating them into a more unified Columbia. Then Uribe can pay some political debts off and move on to really destabilising a certain neighbouring country. What a shame for peace and humanity. Apparently heavy rains may have affected voting turn-out. Well that ends the debate in this thread, the Columbian civil war is still on and the Western Hemisphere is still not free of this madness. Not Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
GNREP8 | 02 Oct 2016 10:24 p.m. PST |
international military support – probably not too likely. Colombia has multiple problems from the left and right – if FARC can be neutralised then it could concentrate on the para-militaries who actually in many ways are more of a threat as they control much of the drugs trade (though without a doubt FARC have a major role). |
ITALWARS | 03 Oct 2016 4:00 a.m. PST |
" 7,000 FARC fighters and the 18,000 FARC followers rather than integrating them into a more unified Columbia…destabilising a certain neighbouring country."…hahahahaha so you aim at the integration of murderers…and for you the destabilisation is the export of law, order and legal rights of the people to the other rogue state which is Maduro's Venezuela?….maybe you can also propose , considering your views, also to put into their agenda and export not only terrorism but also the Cuban way to Eugenics and sterilisation of menthaly disabled persons as shown by Criminal Castrista regime which supported those FARC. |
ITALWARS | 03 Oct 2016 4:25 a.m. PST |
"Colombia has multiple problems from the left and right – if FARC can be neutralised then it could concentrate on the para-militaries who actually in many ways are more of a threat as they control much of the drugs trade (though without a doubt FARC"……as you live there your point of culd be useful….i can imagine that once terrorism had been liquidated (phisically)..there should be no need for para-militaries which is, also literally, an abomibale choice for a civilised nation..unfortunaty , for what i understood, but maybe i'm wrong..the drug business is larely supported by population ..peasants ecc..and the reason is not really the lack of other kind of resources to live but the corrupted craving of earn more and more money instad of doing a real work |
Apache 6 | 03 Oct 2016 7:56 a.m. PST |
"Ask First Nations people like the Lakota whether there is a race-war going on in America. Ask Mexican and Latin Americans with illegal alien/undocumented relatives whether there is race war in the bosom of the Republic. Ask the African-Americans of Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, or D.C. if there is a war on the horizon. Ask the White militia groups which are drilling and preparing for an impending race-based Ragnarok in the USA." I can ask a member of ISIS if he believes that he will go to heaven by blowing himself up in the cause of Jihad and trade in slaves. He will answer that he will and can, it does not make it correct. It's odd that so many Latinos, immigrate to the US when a race war is being waged against them. My boss is a African-American from the "bad side" (his words) of Baltimore. He's also a colonel of Marines. African-American's, Native Americans, and legal Latino immigrants have the same, and actually more, legal protections that the majority population enjoys. It is racist to try and lump and of any population togather based on their skin color ethnic background. There are cultural issues that cause problems in certain sub-cultures that are primarily African-American. It is uncool to speak proper English ("you're speaking white), however, proper language skills are a valuable asset if you want a good job. There are people who will say I'm racist for saying that, they are wrong. I agree that the proliferation of social media has allowed fringe groups to spread hate, disinformation and propaganda. I'd state that someone espousing the "fact" that their is a race war against African-Americans, or several race wars against many Americans is not a proven fact, and is closer to disinformation. The "proliferation of powerful fire-arms" is another statement laden with bias. Powerful firearms have always been available in the US. Lever action rifles, M-1 garands and M-1 carbines have been sold in the millions for over a hundred years (for the lever actions) or 75+ for the WW II surplus. School shootings, which those rifles are capable of did not occur due to social conditioning, not lack of means. . |
Rod I Robertson | 03 Oct 2016 10:41 a.m. PST |
Italwars: Sigh. "…hahahahaha so you aim at the integration of murderers…and for you the destabilisation is the export of law, order and legal rights of the people to the other rogue state which is Maduro's Venezuela?….maybe you can also propose , considering your views, also to put into their agenda and export not only terrorism but also the Cuban way to Eugenics and sterilisation of menthaly disabled persons as shown by Criminal Castrista regime which supported those FARC. Integration of murderers. Yes and so it is after every war. Maduro's Venezuela: I never named a state so this is your assumption and your breach of forum rules. Cuban way to Eugenics and sterilisation: Eugenics and sterilisation have been bug-bears which have plagued both poles of the political spectrum and still do today. Whether it's coerced sterilisation of Latina women in California in the 1970's, the sterilisation of a quarter million indigenous women in Peru under the Alberto Fujimori government, the present-day fascination with genetic improvement or the liquidation of untermenschen in Nazi Germany. Social Darwinism and it's excesses know no political affiliation. It is a pathology of the self-proclaimed strong when confronted with the different. George Bernard Shaw and John Maynard Keynes have their doppelgängers on the right of the political spectrum too. Nothing in the Rule of Law prevents a people from making peace with itself and agreeing to forgive (but not forget) the violent excesses of a civil war. As long as an amnesty is done legally and with the consent of the electorate then it is sad but correct. However, as the electorate has rejected the Columbian Peace Plan this is not presently possible and President Santos must seek a new mandate if he is to continue his drive toward peace. Rod Robertson. |
Rod I Robertson | 03 Oct 2016 11:23 a.m. PST |
Apache 6: I can ask a member of ISIS if he believes that he will go to heaven by blowing himself up in the cause of Jihad and trade in slaves. He will answer that he will and can, it does not make it correct. I can ask a US drone pilot if he believes that he will go to heaven by blowing up bad and some good people in foreign lands and should he do this in the cause of neoconservative goals. He will likely answer that he will and can. It does not make it correct. All villains are heroes in their own minds, and if pawns serve villains then they might believe in their heroic role too. It's odd that so many Latinos, immigrate to the US when a race war is being waged against them. My boss is a African-American from the "bad side" (his words) of Baltimore. He's also a colonel of Marines. It's odd that so many Irish immigrated to the US when a race war/religious war was being waged against them. The US offers opportunity to immigrants and that is what attracts them. The spectre of mistreatment pales in comparison to opportunity and hope, but that does not mean that such mistreatment is not real. When you're coming from hell, purgatory is a viable option even if you then name it Hell's Kitchen. African-American's, Native Americans, and legal Latino immigrants have the same, and actually more, legal protections that the majority population enjoys. It is racist to try and lump and of any population togather based on their skin color ethnic background. True. But laws don't always assure better treatment and preferential laws may redress imbalances but can also act like a lens to focus bigotry based on a sense of false entitlement aimed at such groups. Racism is not the identification of differences in people or groups. Racism is behaviour which helps or hurts a group based on their race. There is motive behind racism. By way of example, pointing out that a disproportionate number of African-American men compared to their total population are incarcerated in the USA is not racism, it's an observation of a provable fact. Claiming that they are in jail because African -Americans have a predisposition to crime is racist. Likewise, arguing that white-Americans lock up minorities because they are white and are superior is also racism. So stating that race wars exist within a society is not racist, it is an observation. It can be characterised as correct or incorrect but without further evidence of the motives of the observer, it cannot be characterised as racism. There are people who will say I'm racist for saying that, they are wrong. Without motive there can be no case for racism. So I agree, you are not wrong as you made an observation about employers' preferences and nothing more. The "proliferation of powerful fire-arms" is another statement laden with bias. Powerful firearms have always been available in the US. Lever action rifles, M-1 garands and M-1 carbines have been sold in the millions for over a hundred years (for the lever actions) or 75+ for the WW II surplus. School shootings, which those rifles are capable of did not occur due to social conditioning, not lack of means. See the article and the graph linked below. The j-shaped curve of the histograms in aggregate would indicate proliferation to an impartial observer. It is the growth in the numbers of firearms in America coupled with the fact that fewer and fewer are registered with households or persons which is the problem. In 1945 there were about 140 million Americans and 45 million firearms. Comparatively few of those weapons were automatic or semi-automatic. In 2015 there were about 320 million Americans and 350 million firearms. A far higher proportion of those were semi-automatic weapons and many could be field modified to fire fully automatically, That is evidence of proliferation to my mind. link Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
ITALWARS | 03 Oct 2016 12:20 p.m. PST |
R I R sigh: "However, as the electorate has rejected the Columbian Peace Plan this is not presently possible and President Santos" you mentioned again and again nowadays events …so you're breaching the law…as it seem that less than 10 years had elapsed..i would say ten hours |
Apache 6 | 03 Oct 2016 12:54 p.m. PST |
Rod Robertson: "I can ask a US drone pilot if he believes that he will go to heaven by blowing up bad and some good people in foreign lands and should he do this in the cause of neoconservative goals. He will likely answer that he will and can. It does not make it correct." I doubt you'd find more then a tiny fraction of US drone pilots or other military personnel that will tell you that they go to heaven by blowing anyone up. The few that does proves my point, just because a sub-culture believes they are in a race war, partially because they've been told that by 'leaders among their subculture' does not make it true. "In 1945 there were about 140 million Americans and 45 million firearms. Comparatively few of those weapons were automatic or semi-automatic. In 2015 there were about 320 million Americans and 350 million firearms. A far higher proportion of those were semi-automatic weapons and many could be field modified to fire fully automatically, That is evidence of proliferation to my mind." Um-no. Automatic weapons were comparatively more common in civilian hands during that time period. You used to be able to buy fully automatic Thompson submachine guns and BARs at hardware stores. Prior to WWII, semi-automatic weapons were more common among civilians then police or the military. What weapons are you talking about that can be field modified to fire fully automatically? I'm more familiar then most with both civilian and military firearms. I'm unaware of any that can be field modified. I know many civilian weapons are made so it's very difficult to modify them. What specific weapon are you talking about? Respectfully |
Apache 6 | 03 Oct 2016 1:24 p.m. PST |
Rod Robertson: "I can ask a US drone pilot if he believes that he will go to heaven by blowing up bad and some good people in foreign lands and should he do this in the cause of neoconservative goals. He will likely answer that he will and can. It does not make it correct." I doubt you'd find more then a tiny fraction of US drone pilots or other military personnel that will tell you that they go to heaven by blowing anyone up. The few that does proves my point, just because a sub-culture believes they are in a race war, partially because they've been told that by 'leaders among their subculture' does not make it true. "In 1945 there were about 140 million Americans and 45 million firearms. Comparatively few of those weapons were automatic or semi-automatic. In 2015 there were about 320 million Americans and 350 million firearms. A far higher proportion of those were semi-automatic weapons and many could be field modified to fire fully automatically, That is evidence of proliferation to my mind." I respectfully disagree with you, weapons including automatics and semiautomatics have been in civilian hands since before WWII. Automatic weapons were comparatively more common in civilian hands during that pre-war period. You used to be able to buy fully automatic Thompson submachine guns and BARs at hardware stores. Prior to WWII, semi-automatic weapons were more common among civilians then police or the military. What weapons are you talking about that can be field modified to fire fully automatically? I'm more familiar then most with both civilian and military firearms. I'm unaware of any that can be field modified. I know many civilian weapons are made so it's very difficult to modify them. What specific weapon are you talking about? Respectfully |
Rod I Robertson | 03 Oct 2016 1:33 p.m. PST |
Italwars: Touché! Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Rod I Robertson | 03 Oct 2016 1:41 p.m. PST |
Apache 6: That is why I put the lower date at 1945. The National Firearms Act of 1934 banned private ownership and possession of functional automatic weapons unless an onerous ($200.00) tax was paid and this was a decade before 1945. The AR-15. And there is this and many other lovely DIAS modifications readily available too: link Cheers. Rod Robertson. |