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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 Sep 2016 10:42 a.m. PST

The wreck of the British warship HMS Warrior the "last shipwreck" from the Battle of Jutland during World War I has been discovered near Norway…

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14Bore22 Sep 2016 11:00 a.m. PST

I wish they could be preserved before they are scavenged

dagc5422 Sep 2016 11:09 a.m. PST

Reading this makes me what to play AH Jutland again.

Ney Ney22 Sep 2016 11:49 a.m. PST

Awesome

Toronto4822 Sep 2016 1:53 p.m. PST

These ships are War Graves Once located they should be left alone

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian22 Sep 2016 3:15 p.m. PST

I understood that at one time the German High Seas fleet off Scapa Flow was used as a source non-contaminated steel for high precision instruments (not effected by post 1945 testing)

gamershs22 Sep 2016 3:34 p.m. PST

I hate to be the devils advocate but what are the ships being preserved for. The bodies of the dead have long since deteriorated to empty shoes except in the Black Sea (due to water conditions) and the ships are rusting out. This is not a land based graveyard that can be preserved and maintained. Even warship armor will eventually be reduced to a giant rust spot and if someone takes the metal off the ship and sells it before it deteriorates so be it.

hindsTMP Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2016 4:33 p.m. PST

I hate to be the devils advocate but what are the ships being preserved for. The bodies of the dead have long since deteriorated to empty shoes except in the Black Sea (due to water conditions) and the ships are rusting out. This is not a land based graveyard that can be preserved and maintained. Even warship armor will eventually be reduced to a giant rust spot and if someone takes the metal off the ship and sells it before it deteriorates so be it.

Think marine archaeology. For example, examination of HMS Invincible and other Jutland wrecks provided confirmation that the Jutland magazine explosions were due to bad ammunition handling practices, and not to deck penetrations.

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Mark H.

attilathepun4722 Sep 2016 10:33 p.m. PST

And as to the war graves question, preservation of human remains is highly unpredictable. I have seen underwater video of a dive on the Japanese ships sunk in Truk Lagoon, and there were still some skeletal remains visible. Jutland was not quite thirty years earlier, but in much colder water, so one might guess that preservation conditions would be better there.

gamershs25 Sep 2016 2:05 p.m. PST

On the Titanic, as far as I have seen, not one body part was discovered. Should we declare every ship that sunk with loss of life a war grave with no recovery of anything. Should the Costa Concordia been left in place because people died in it.

As far as marine archaeology the ship in all likelihood will never be entered as it is too deep for casual diving and has little of no interest for professional diving. There are no great mysteries associated with the sinking of the HMS Warrior. For that matter, there are no mysteries remaining with any of the ships sunk at the battle of Jutland.

Charlie 1226 Sep 2016 7:11 p.m. PST

The bodies of the dead have long since deteriorated to empty shoes except in the Black Sea (due to water conditions) and the ships are rusting out. This is not a land based graveyard that can be preserved and maintained. Even warship armor will eventually be reduced to a giant rust spot and if someone takes the metal off the ship and sells it before it deteriorates so be it.

You're missing the essential point. These are WAR GRAVES. Men died and were interred in the deep sea with their ships. No matter the condition of the bodies or the ships, these are and always will be these sailors last resting place. And, as a simple matter of respect for the honored dead, should be left undisturbed.

Captain Gideon26 Sep 2016 9:31 p.m. PST

Charlie 12 I strongly agree with you on this subject.

These Warships regardless of what country they fought for are now War Graves.

Ships like Yamato,Musashi,Bismarck,Prince of Wales,Royal Oak and Arizona are War Graves and they should be left alone regardless of what people try to justify disturbing them.

attilathepun4726 Sep 2016 11:53 p.m. PST

I believe that it is already a matter of international law, and that anyone caught disturbing these sites could face some very serious consequences.

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