"Syrian Military Has Formally Declared The End Of The..." Topic

…Ceasefire.

"Syria's military command has declared the U.S.-Russian negotiated cease-fire over, blaming the country's rebel groups for undermining the agreement.

The Syrian military says "armed terrorist groups" repeatedly violated the cease-fire that came into effect last week and used it to mobilize and arm, while attacking government-held areas. It said the rebels wasted a "real chance'' to stop the bloodshed and did not indicate whether the truce would be reinstated.

Activists and rebel groups also accuse the government of violating the cease-fire.

The United Nations said the Syrian government had obstructed the delivery of aid, a key component of the deal…"
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And an aid convoy has already been hit by an air strike

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I was surprised it lasted as long as it did …

Looks as if it was Assad who attacked the aid convoy and warehouse. Barrel bombs from helicopters, not a Russian tactic.

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Targeting non-combatants seems to be a standard with many of the local forces in the region.

But bombing the UN can get a lot of important people upset.

Legion – Not just the locals. What about those wedding parties that have been attacked by USA drones in this region? Or were these wedding parties actually disguised 'terrorist' troop concentrations (under the principle that if your an ambulatory Middle Eastern male you're a presumed terrorist)? Or were these 'regrettable' targeting errors based on 'flawed' intelligence? Let's try to remember that both pot and kettle are black.

Yes, well aware of all that Begemot. But since I was not there. I'll have to take the US military and intel personnel's word for it. I was a 101 Bn Air Ops Ofr. Believe me like anytime live ordinance is used. Things can go wrong … you know that.

Plus you also [should] know in an insurgency in almost all cases you can't tell who the "insurgent" is. That is a tactic right out of Mao and Che'. But I never said the US Military or Intel assets were flawless …

That is the bad thing is seems about a conflict. The Fog of War, poor intel, etc., … ST happens. All kitchenware is black and various shades of gray. We all know that. It is sad but true … The only way to stop it is not go to war. And sometimes that is not an option.

But to say to say the US purposely target non-combatants. Like Syria and Saudi Arabia are doing. I a bit of a stretch, IMO. But I'm sure you'll disagree. That is your prerogative. We discuss CD often on TMP … you should stop by more often. But I end up repeating myself anyway …

And others here as well as you seems to believe that the USA is "The Great Satan". If so then I must be a Lessor Prince of Darkness.

But bombing the UN can get a lot of important people upset.

You'd think … but usually the offender gets a harshly worded letter [or e-mail]. On UN stationary …

And again, based on current reports, I saw today. It was the Russians that bombed the Aid Convoy and warehouse.

Damn … according to some … the Russians are getting as bad as the USA !!!!!

Things are heating up. The Russkies not only denied responsibility for the attack on Red Crescent but just announced that they're sending their sole carrier (Admiral Kuznetsov) to Syria to fight "terrorists." Looks like they're putting all their chips behind Bashir al Assad.

I've been saying, as long as Assad has Russian backing/support, he's not going anywhere …

And sooner or later, Daesh and AQ will be his only remaining threats in Syria.

As predicted a while back.

No doubt fueled by their belief that the F-16/A-10 strike that killed 62 Syrian army soldiers was no accident.

Come on guys, when the US makes mistakes and targets non-combatant (or the wrong one), it's because of bad intel, or bad communication but when Syria or Russia is doing it it's always deliberate… for me there is somehow a flawed logic.

Mistake happens all the time, and I tend to believe that Syria/Russia intel is not at the level of the US, so mistakes should occur more often.

The US army is able to limit collateral damage, but it requires a very high level of technology/training and even so error are happening on a regular basis. I doubt that you can expect that from other armies.

An aid convoy is pretty obvious, especially since the Russians were given advanced knowledge of it.

A bit different than one or several vehicle(s), or an attack on a building, or three.

No doubt, they had markings all over them, and probably flags too. Of course, the enemy does use those tactics to sow confusion, like using ambulances to transport weapons and terrorists/fighters, so……..

The US army is able to limit collateral damage, but it requires a very high level of technology/training and even so error are happening on a regular basis. I doubt that you can expect that from other armies.

That is NOT true, the US ARMY purposely targets non-combatants because they train them to be blood thirsty warmongers killers of the innocent and Sons of the Great Satan. … A lot of guys here know that for a fact … I'll give you names if you like …

By the way, the US ARMY does not fly F-16s or A-10s … just say'n. Those kind of aircraft are USAF birds. And the US ARMY Air Corps became the USAF in '48 …

But in a more serious light.

Mistake happens all the time, and I tend to believe that Syria/Russia intel is not at the level of the US, so mistakes should occur more often.

That very true. And again in may cases "ST" Happens. No matter how much you try to avoid "Murphy's" influence. Sometimes ST still Happens …

But again, unless you are in the US ARMY and then you are all merciless killers, supporters of terrorism, wanton butchers … and … well … you get the idea. I'm sure some of those who know that for a fact, will add some more accurate descriptions …

An aid convoy is pretty obvious, especially since the Russians were given advanced knowledge of it.

You mean like an MSF hospital in Afganisthan…

Russian provided a lot of video of insurgent convoy they obliterated, maybe the pilots were too happy to use their ordinance… (and Russian RoE are maybe less stringent than on the US side)

By the way, the US ARMY does not fly F-16s or A-10s …

Thank you for correcting my usage of "army" in a too generic manner.

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I know that for a fact, the parents of my grand-mother were deported to German camps. The father of my grand mother was killed at the Hameln station by a UK bombing after he was liberated.

You mean like an MSF hospital in Afganisthan…

The intel may have been incorrect. If the hospital had been evac'd and the Taliban occupied it, it loses its protected status.

I was a Bn Air Ops in the 101 in '82-'83. So I was not in the Tac Ops Ctr or onboard the AC-130. But I did train with them. So I can't tell you exactly what happened. But I assure you NO ONE in US Forces said, "Let's go kill a bunch MSF doctors and nurses today." And again, I'd imagine, in the heat of battle, "ST" really does Happen. …

I know that for a fact, the parents of my grand-mother were deported to German camps. The father of my grand mother was killed at the Hameln station by a US bombing after he was liberated.

Very Sorry to hear that. My Father was a US ARMY Infantry SGT, in WWII, and lost his hearing in one ear to intense German mortar fire. We all probably could post about the horrors of war whether personal or just reading about it.

So maybe if my Father had not volunteered to go in the Army. Instead of working at a munitions factory where he was employed. He wouldn't have been hit by mortar rounds.

But again "ST" happens …

blood thirsty warmongers killers of the innocent

all merciless killers, supporters of terrorism, wanton butchers

Just incase … all those comments are hyperbole …

Hyperbole Definition. Hyperbole, derived from a Greek word meaning "over-casting" is a figure of speech, which involves an exaggeration of ideas for the sake of emphasis.