"28mm figures for British regulars in Ireland 1798?" Topic

Tempted to play the Irish Rebellion using the new version of Sharp Practice. I've seen the lovely Trent Miniatures figures but there seem to be a few gaps in the range, such as British command.

Can anyone recommend some suitable Brits to fill those gaps – there doesn't seem to be much available for Revolutionary Wars British?

Pity Khurasan never released their United Irish range in 15mm – that would have looked good!

Perry has Brits in round hats for the Egyptian campaign. Would those work? I have no idea what the uniforms for that campaign (Irish rebellion) look like. I just came across the figures earlier today and thought that might make a cool unit.

Trent Miniatures Irish Militia Officers?: link

Yeah, Trent now do British officers. Irregular have a range in bicornes and tarletons that could suit.

Agree 100% about Khurasan.

Try Reiver Castings: link

Also Knuckleduster has some 1812 figures that will do just fine.

I know, Winston and I are using them…

Eric

I use the Old Glory Napolron in Egypt British range.
The Perthshire Volunteers are British wearing the Tarleton helmet.
The Dragoons are also useful.

Thanks gents, I was considering using later period AWI Brits but not sure how the uniforms differed (though I'm not such a stickler for detail). And the militia uniforms aren't that different from the regulars in any case.

Re. AWI uniforms, the main differences were:-

- the cut of the coat was tighter (in the Prussian style) and reverted to the long-tailed style;
- the collar became a "rise and fall" instead of just lying flat like the collar of a modern sports or suit jacket;
- the gaiters "rose" to come just under the knee instead of half-way up the calf, or over the knee in pre-AWI style;
- the hat became less obviously three-cornered and more bicorne in style, and hackles/feathers began to be worn;
- backpacks were all in the canvas "envelope" style – no more goatskin "hairy" types;
- the round wooden canteens of the Napoleonic period were becoming universal and the metal type had pretty much gone, although a few units (eg the Foot Guards) retained small barrel types.

The bonus is that the AWI coats retain the lapels, which disappear in the 1800 clothing regulations. A good paint job will hide most of the other clothing differences.

Thanks SM, that's very useful. On a related note, does anyone make 28mm versions of the rebels' 'hooked pikes' seen in contemporary illustrations?

I had a bunch of halberd, farm instrument, axe heads, etc. from various manufacturers in the 80s that I used up and am clueless about for their origin.

One other troop type I use is the AWI Highlanders in trews or trousers from Kings Mountain Miniatures. Eric assures me that the sky won't fall.

I'm going to keep bothering Eureka at conventions. Nic once told me they were planned.

A slight correction in terms of, well, terms, SM, if I may be so bold.

I would say the 1768 collar or 'cape' of the AWI period was really more of a 'stand-and-fall', distinct from the coat lapels (though that would depended on how it lay, I suppose), while, the coat collar from the mid-1780s to the late 1790s definitely became 'stand-up'. That laid the way for the closed front coat of 1798 [?], which then led to the 1800 coatee.

Another detail to consider is that from 1797 the white binding on the hat was replaced by black.

What I would be interested to see, is how the light 6-pdr 'curricle guns' used by HM dragoons and yeomanry, "a horse Artillery of a very inferior nature," might be rendered…..

There is or was one preserved in Ballina sorry don't have a photo. Someone might though.

Epturner/Winston,

Good to see I'm not alone – I'm planning to adapt a boardgame from Vae Victis and a mini-campaign in a TFL special to provide background, together with the 1798 force lists recently uploaded on the TFL site.

Other than Trent, what other figures have you found that are suitable to give greater variety to the rebels? There's some useful women in the Perry ACW rioters for a bit of extra variety.

On improvised weapons, Mirliton do some useful stuff, including 'hooked spears' and pitchforks. Others are available from Essex and Irregular, so I should be able to muster a sufficiently irregular rebellious mob.

A brief history of my involvement in the '98…
I have been collecting the figures for years, with a fond hope of playing. Recently I had a cash flow crunch, and traded my army to epturner for some other stuff I could sell.
He came up here to put on some games, using a large batch of my AWI figures. Now I am looking at adding some French…
"Every time I think I'm out of it, they drag me back in!"

Some figures I have used on the rebel side:
Essex ECW Montrose Irish musketeers. The ones in a shirt and breeches.
Foundry ECW pikemen, unarmoured.
Probably not totally accurate, but West Wind Gothic peasants with pitchfork.

I would not be surprised to see some Monmouth rebel figures being useful. Some, but not all. Front Rank and Dixon make them.

The odd pirate?

Some good suggestions there – I'm now investigating assorted ECW club men and Irish to add to the ranks.

Been looking at pictures of the Arklow game put on at Salute (and Historicon?) in 2014 for further inspiration and ideas….dangerous…

Dangerous indeed.
You start looking at ranges, squinting with your bad eye, and thinking "That might work".
But it doesn't. But you persevere.
Well anyway…
Nic at Eureka said they were a few years down the road. But that was a few years ago! They could be just around the corner!
And Trent is proceeding at a glacial pace.
So we just have to use proxies and take a 9 iron to the head of people who have not done a lick of work on a project like this and scoff.

I THINK that the hooked spears may have been from Essex. They might have been lances for oriental cavalry, like Khitan Liao.