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jocknroll30 Aug 2016 4:34 a.m. PST

Here is where we are going with BLB with has been only available in pdf since 2nd Ed sold out in 2014.

link

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2016 6:54 a.m. PST

Been waiting for this news!

I bought BLB2 on pdf when I thought I had lost my book, but then I found my book!

jocknroll30 Aug 2016 9:48 a.m. PST

lots of new stuff in it

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2016 1:36 p.m. PST

Excellent news!

mashrewba31 Aug 2016 10:22 a.m. PST

Is the big skirmish/small battle set still in the works?

jocknroll31 Aug 2016 2:18 p.m. PST

It is actually finished and has been for about six months. We got a little caught up in various things so are untangling ourselves so to speak.

Thanks for not sending out the lynch mobs yet! :)

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2016 2:23 p.m. PST

Depressing. I haven't learned the last version, although it is my favorite set of contemporary rules, and now I must start all over again!

jocknroll31 Aug 2016 2:49 p.m. PST

there won't be much to 're-learn'. The changes bring the mechanisms and logic stream into line with Donnybrook and add an extra level of period detail. We have significantly modified dragoon capability to reflect the significance of the troop type instead of the current lamo-limbo land that they exist in.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2016 3:11 p.m. PST

Ah expansion on the dragoons! Very interesting. Looking forward to reading that!

yarr6802 Sep 2016 2:13 a.m. PST

Looking forward to part 3!!

jocknroll02 Sep 2016 3:38 a.m. PST

We have also separated out a lot of 'non core' mechanisms and rules into a optional section this leaving the central thread leaner and more to the point.

Players can then add as much nuance as they can cope with using the extra layers for period flavour.

Learn to ride the bike before you try and jump the Grand Canyon on a unicycle so to speak.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2016 3:43 a.m. PST

What. The only way to learn how to ride a bike. Is by jumping the grand canyon on a unicycle!

jocknroll04 Sep 2016 3:54 a.m. PST

haven't you tried that yet?

Old Grunt06 Sep 2016 11:51 a.m. PST

I actually thought the rules currently handled dragoons about right. From my reading in this period, 1660-1720ish, they were basically infantry mounted on horses which obviously enabled them to move about quickly. Because of this they performed some other useful tasks such as reconnaissance, screening, some skirmishing etc. My experience is that most wargamers want them to be super troopers; after all they could ride horses and fight dismounted. That must make them elite! When in fact they were more like "jack's of all trades" but masters of none. They were paid less then the Horse and yes I know towards the middle part of WSS the distinction begin to blur between Regiments of Horse and dragoons. That's probably because armies could field more dragoons to horse due the cost. (Governments are notoriously cheap when it comes to funding armies.)

All of the above was not meant as a rant but a prelude to my question. If dragoons deserve some other enhanced abilities that can't be handled with scenario specific rules what are they and what did miss my readings?

jocknroll07 Sep 2016 10:00 a.m. PST

OG – all good points. I am not an uber-trooper so don't be concerned about that. I think BLB2 had dragoons almost right but with careful reflection a couple of tweaks will get them just right. These involve a little more movement flexibility and some charge response options.

The prominence of dragoons in the Irish campaigns between 1689-1691 offer substantive evidence of where and why these tweaks can be justified.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2016 10:56 a.m. PST

Will the "swedish rules" be twiked?

jocknroll07 Sep 2016 11:02 a.m. PST

dealing with the Swedes in BLB terms totally separately! More on that soon.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2016 1:07 p.m. PST

Man you are on a roll! Releasing tidbits here and there! Great pr campaign!

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