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Tango01 | 27 Aug 2016 12:02 p.m. PST |
""Directions regarding the use of IS-122 and ISU-152 regiments in combat Practice of using heavy tanks and SPGs in combat showed that IS-122 and ISU-152 are the best method of fighting enemy heavy tanks and can deal great damage to the enemy when used carefully and skilfully. Careless use of the IS and ISU tanks result in pointless losses, such as: •The commander of the 141st Infantry Division positioned the 29th Tank Regiment (IS-122) in the front line of defense, as a result of which the regiment pointlessly lost 8 tanks. •The commander of the 17th Mechanized Brigade moved ISU-152 tanks ahead of infantry at Mihalkiuv and Ezefuvka, losing 3 tanks…." More here link Amicalement Armand |
gamershs | 27 Aug 2016 1:31 p.m. PST |
The ISU-122 and ISU-152 are not tanks but are mobile artillery. Think of them as the successors of the horse artillery to be used as direct fire artillery. With the Soviet using their break through methods as soon as you have advanced through enemy lines the towed artillery will be out of action till it can advance forward and setup. The ISU-122 and ISU-152 can be used to take out strong points and suppress infantry and anti tank guns. If they run into a tank unit yes they can be used against them but they are firing an artillery shell for the most part and would be misused. The SU-85 and SU-100 are better used against enemy tanks. |
emckinney | 27 Aug 2016 2:09 p.m. PST |
Well, since the commander of the First Ukrainian Front disagrees with you, I don't think that matters. |
Mark 1 | 27 Aug 2016 6:34 p.m. PST |
Also, the tanks in quesiton are the ISU-152 and the IS-122,, NOT the ISU-122. IS-122 is also known as IS-2. You know, the Stalin tank. It is clear from the cited report that Zhukov is speaking not only of heavy assault guns, but also of heavy tanks. Note the comment from Section 3: When tanks fight from ambushes … the tanks must take up firing positions such that only a part of the turret is shown.
Clearly NOT a reference to an ISU. -Mark (aka: Mk 1) |
gamershs | 28 Aug 2016 2:47 p.m. PST |
"Also, the tanks in quesiton are the ISU-152 and the IS-122,, NOT the ISU-122". The IS-122 was a prototype tank and when it entered production it was designated as the IS-2. I have a tank regiment of IS-1, IS-2 and IS-3 in my 1/300 scale collections which is used in my tank corps. I never referred to the IS-2 as the IS-122 and suspected it was a typo in the original article when I saw it. Since then I have looked it up and sure enough it was designated IS-122 while under development. The ISU-152 was a SPG and was rarely used as a tank destroyer. It's problem as a tank destroyer was it had 2 piece ammunition (shell and propellant) and carried 21 rounds and had a rate of fire of about 2 rounds per minute. As a comparison the Tiger VI had a theoretical rate of fire of about 15 rounds per minute and carried 92 rounds. The ISU-122 was a SPG and could be used as a tank destroyer but was most used as a mobile artillery piece. The biggest problem was that when it first came out it had a rate of fire between 1.5 to 2.5 rounds per minute and carried about 30 rounds. With some modifications and a trained crew (also 2 loaders) it got up to 3 rounds per minute and with additional modifications got to 4 rounds per minute. There was also the SU-122 and SU-152 which were also an SPG built off of the T-34 chassis and used as mobile artillery. |
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