The Beast Rampant | 20 Aug 2016 5:26 p.m. PST |
A blanket term, whether they be armed with bows, crossbows, or whatever. Not skirmishers, but formed bodies. |
bsrlee | 20 Aug 2016 5:28 p.m. PST |
I think the term you are looking for is – 'shot'. |
The Beast Rampant | 20 Aug 2016 5:33 p.m. PST |
Was 'shot' used in relation to non-gunpowder weapons, and prior to their use in any kind of formed bodies? |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 20 Aug 2016 5:33 p.m. PST |
Villeins? Peasants? Scum? (This,if you were a knight). |
Great War Ace | 20 Aug 2016 6:35 p.m. PST |
"Marksmen"? I don't believe that such a blanket term for missile troops has ever existed. |
Jamesonsafari | 20 Aug 2016 7:48 p.m. PST |
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Mako11 | 20 Aug 2016 8:23 p.m. PST |
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gavandjosh02 | 21 Aug 2016 2:28 a.m. PST |
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Glengarry5 | 21 Aug 2016 2:51 a.m. PST |
I haven't come across slingers that fought in formed bodies, ditto javelin throwers. These fought as skirmishers (or Bidowers in Lion Rampant). |
SJDonovan | 21 Aug 2016 6:14 a.m. PST |
I agree with bsrlee. I think using 'shot' is okay. It is derived from words that meant to throw or hurl missiles and doesn't only refer to firing guns: link link Having said that, I have no idea whether 'shot' was historically used to denote missile troops before the 'pike and shot' period. |
The Beast Rampant | 21 Aug 2016 6:45 a.m. PST |
Having said that, I have no idea whether 'shot' was historically used to denote missile troops before the 'pike and shot' period. Exactly! OK, it is as I figured. Many "almost" terms imply a station/class more than an actual battlefield role, so that is also an issue. |
Great War Ace | 21 Aug 2016 8:20 a.m. PST |
The term would be regional and period specific. "Yeomen" automatically refers to longbowmen in the English army. Bidet or Almogavar refer to Spanish javelineers. "Sagittarii" was a term meaning "archers". Ballistari is Italian for "arbalester" or crossbowman. And so forth. The general term would cover the known social and military class referred to, and would vary by region and period. |
uglyfatbloke | 21 Aug 2016 8:51 a.m. PST |
Yeomen really did n't automatically mean archers, or even soldiers. It really does n't mean anything more than a modest-scale farmer who was not a serf. Before the HYW English conscripts (for want of a better term) were oftentimes just issued with a spear or a bow at random with no regard to training or preference. Serfs and villeins seldom featured at all in medieval armies in England or Scotland, but scum were readily available. Any term you encounter – such as 'archers'- is likely to specific to one country (as in England and Scotland) or shared across two countries that share very similar languages. Sagittarii generally means 'archers' – as it clearly should, but occasionally in Latin texts of (say) post-1600 it is used to denote infantry of any type. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 21 Aug 2016 10:12 a.m. PST |
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The Beast Rampant | 21 Aug 2016 10:29 a.m. PST |
Yeomen really didn't automatically mean archers, or even soldiers. Yes, that was the first option I eliminated. Would "auxiliaries" work at all? |
Bellbottom | 21 Aug 2016 2:31 p.m. PST |
I didn't think bowmen 'shot', I thought they 'loosed'? |
MajorB | 21 Aug 2016 2:41 p.m. PST |
I didn't think bowmen 'shot', I thought they 'loosed'? You are correct that the appropriate term for the word of command is "loose!". A bowman can shoot a bow. Hence the term bowshot. However he cannot fire it. |
Robert666 | 21 Aug 2016 3:27 p.m. PST |
A cover all term, no. Just period and country/region specific. Bowmen, archers, crossbowmen, slingers and what ever the specfic countries name was for that type of troops. Low ranking would be the most appropriate term. |
Great War Ace | 21 Aug 2016 4:58 p.m. PST |
@ugly: Of course, the "yeomen" class in peacetime, or civilian application, includes everything else too. The discussion is military-specific, this is wargaming after all. So yes, "Yeomen" means archers when talking about an English HYW army. Later, even during the WotR, "yeomen" could be listed as "archers" on a muster roll and not have a bow at all. So a transition was taking place over a long time, where armed yeomen were showing up sans bow and arrows but with their melee weapons and any armor. |
CeruLucifus | 21 Aug 2016 8:58 p.m. PST |
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Thomas Thomas | 23 Aug 2016 7:52 a.m. PST |
Not possible to find a common historial term. Game troop type is possible. HOTT used Shooters. DBX uses Bow. I use MF w/Bow (Longbow, Crossbow etc.). Where MF = Medium Foot. TomT |
Great War Ace | 23 Aug 2016 10:58 a.m. PST |
Tom, you had me going there for one second. :) |
GurKhan | 03 Oct 2016 8:09 a.m. PST |
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