Editor in Chief Bill | 16 Aug 2016 3:04 p.m. PST |
Currently, say, on the WWII Discussion board, TMP allows discussion of both wargaming and WWII history. Same with all of the other historical Discussion boards. Should the historical discussions be moved to separate History boards? For example, should there be WWII Discussion and WWII History as boards? |
rmaker | 16 Aug 2016 3:09 p.m. PST |
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Gunfreak | 16 Aug 2016 3:12 p.m. PST |
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Mako11 | 16 Aug 2016 3:16 p.m. PST |
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Winston Smith | 16 Aug 2016 3:42 p.m. PST |
No. That failed totally with Napoleonics. Why repeat what has failed in the past? |
Cold Warrior | 16 Aug 2016 4:18 p.m. PST |
Yes….but ONLY for Ultra-Modern. The main ultramodern board has become a dumping ground for any real world event regardless of its gaming utility. A board for ultramodern gaming only would be most welcome AFAIC. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 16 Aug 2016 4:34 p.m. PST |
No. That failed totally with Napoleonics. Why repeat what has failed in the past? This is for a different reason. We have some members who have been vocal lately about not wanting to see historical discussions on TMP, only wargaming. Segregating the boards make this easier. Yes….but ONLY for Ultra-Modern. The main ultramodern board has become a dumping ground for any real world event regardless of its gaming utility. A board for ultramodern gaming only would be most welcome AFAIC. We already have one. |
Mooseworks8 | 16 Aug 2016 5:43 p.m. PST |
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John Leahy | 16 Aug 2016 5:46 p.m. PST |
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Shagnasty | 16 Aug 2016 5:49 p.m. PST |
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ArmymenRGreat | 16 Aug 2016 6:00 p.m. PST |
No, it's all part of the fun of the hobby. |
Doctor X | 16 Aug 2016 6:24 p.m. PST |
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Cold Warrior | 16 Aug 2016 6:47 p.m. PST |
Apologies, I honestly missed that. |
nazrat | 16 Aug 2016 6:50 p.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill | 16 Aug 2016 6:53 p.m. PST |
OK, so there is also some interest by some in splitting military history and non-military history. For example, is discussing the invention of the printing press an appropriate topic for the Renaissance Discussion board? so the possibilities would be: * keep everything as it is now * split all history to separate boards * split only non-military history to separate boards * split military history to separate boards, and non-military history to separate boards |
jowady | 16 Aug 2016 9:02 p.m. PST |
No, if someone doesn't want to read a post they don't have to. We seem to be heading in the direction where we'll have boards for people who are interested only in Austrian Grenadiers from the SYW . |
Cyrus the Great | 16 Aug 2016 9:04 p.m. PST |
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Silurian | 16 Aug 2016 9:31 p.m. PST |
No. Keep everything as it is. And I would say severely limit any non-military history anyway. Otherwise the site will lose even more focus. I can read about the printing press in my 'History Today' magazine. I'm here for the wargaming. |
Weasel | 16 Aug 2016 10:19 p.m. PST |
Keep them together. History that isn't related to warfare or gaming could get its own place but if its not relevant to gaming, its probably a bad fit to post on TMP anyways. |
daler240D | 16 Aug 2016 11:43 p.m. PST |
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Todd McLeister | 17 Aug 2016 3:10 a.m. PST |
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Oh Bugger | 17 Aug 2016 3:30 a.m. PST |
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basileus66 | 17 Aug 2016 4:30 a.m. PST |
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basileus66 | 17 Aug 2016 4:34 a.m. PST |
is discussing the invention of the printing press an appropriate topic for the Renaissance Discussion board? Indeed it is. Try to explain the Military Revolution or Maurice's military reforms without the existence of the printing press; it is totally relevant. However the crux of the matter is that none forces anybody to read a particular thread. |
David Manley | 17 Aug 2016 4:54 a.m. PST |
Bill, I'd add my "no" to the chorus above. Keep "as is" |
Vallerotonda | 17 Aug 2016 5:33 a.m. PST |
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Ottoathome | 17 Aug 2016 5:55 a.m. PST |
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Ben Avery | 17 Aug 2016 6:04 a.m. PST |
Oh what the hell, you've persuaded me Bill. What's the worst that could happen? More boards, lovely. |
Joes Shop | 17 Aug 2016 6:08 a.m. PST |
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John the Greater | 17 Aug 2016 6:16 a.m. PST |
Nope. I may be going out on a limb here…but I would guess that the vast majority of people who game historical periods are interested in history. |
Ben Avery | 17 Aug 2016 6:31 a.m. PST |
Actually Bill, I think you need to be more specific. Obviously have a separate military history one, but then make sure there is one for political, another for social history, economic, maybe literature, perhaps? Then you could possibly sub-divide then for each of the major combatants, plus a general one for the minor powers. |
Big Red | 17 Aug 2016 8:42 a.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill | 17 Aug 2016 9:11 a.m. PST |
Oh what the hell, you've persuaded me Bill. I don't have a horse in this race, I'm just trying to outline what the options are based on what people are saying they want (or don't want). |
raylev3 | 17 Aug 2016 2:58 p.m. PST |
No…to me the history and gaming ate completely integrated and I'd hate to have to look at more boards |
Rod I Robertson | 17 Aug 2016 3:27 p.m. PST |
Splitting history from historical miniature wargaming is an interesting schism to contemplate. While Sci Fi, Fantasy and Imagi-nation gamers might be comfortable with that, historical gamers will be hamstrung and frustrated by such a division. Is it wise to frustrate some of the clientele of TMP? They're already frustrated by other things. This could be a straw that breaks the camel's back and drives posters away. How many crystal spheres are we willing to construct before accepting that Aristotle was just plain wrong and Copernicus was right? Cheers and good gaming. Rod Robertson. |
AllegoryoftheCave | 17 Aug 2016 6:48 p.m. PST |
Melvin Dewey provides some suggested guidance: Class 900 – History & geography
900 History 900 History, geography, & auxiliary disciplines 901 Philosophy & theory of history 902 Miscellany of history 903 Dictionaries, encyclopedias, concordances of history 904 Collected accounts of events 905 Serial publications of history 906 Organizations & management of history 907 Education, research, related topics of history 908 History with respect to groups of people 909 World history 910 Geography & travel 910 Geography & travel 911 Historical geography 912 Graphic representations of surface of earth and of extraterrestrial worlds 913 Geography of & travel in ancient world 914 Geography of & travel in Europe 915 Geography of & travel in Asia 916 Geography of & travel in Africa 917 Geography of & travel in North America 918 Geography of & travel in South America 919 Geography of & travel in Australasia, Pacific Ocean islands, Atlantic Ocean islands, Arctic islands, Antarctica, & on extraterrestrial worlds 920 Biography & genealogy 920 Biography, genealogy, insignia 921-928 This range is reserved as an optional location for biographies, which are shelved alphabetically by subject's last name. 929 Genealogy, names, insignia 930 History of ancient world (to ca. 499) 930 History of ancient world to ca. 499 931 China to 420 932 Egypt to 640 933 Palestine to 70 934 South Asia to 647 935 Mesopotamia to 637 & Iranian Plateau to 637 936 Europe north & west of Italian Peninsula to ca. 499 937 Italian Peninsula to 476 & adjacent territories to 476 938 Greece to 323 939 Other parts of ancient world 940 History of Europe 940 History of Europe 941 British Isles 942 England & Wales 943 Germany & neighboring central European countries 944 France & Monaco 945 Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Malta 946 Spain, Andorra, Gibraltar, Portugal 947 Russia & neighboring east European countries 948 Scandinavia 949 Other parts of Europe 950 History of Asia 950 History of Asia 951 China & adjacent areas 952 Japan 953 Arabian Peninsula & adjacent areas 954 India & neighboring south Asian countries; 955 Iran 956 Middle East (Near East) 957 Siberia (Asiatic Russia) 958 Central Asia 959 Southeast Asia 960 History of Africa 960 History of Africa 961 Tunisia & Libya 962 Egypt, Sudan, South Sudan 963 Ethiopia & Eritrea 964 Morocco, Ceuta, Melilla Western Sahara, Canary Islands 965 Algeria 966 West Africa & offshore islands 967 Central Africa & offshore islands 968 Republic of South Africa & neighboring southern African countries 969 South Indian Ocean islands 970 History of North America 970 History of North America 971 Canada 972 Mexico, Central America, West Indies, Bermuda 973 United States 974 Northeastern United States (New England & Middle Atlantic states) 975 Southeastern United States (South Atlantic states) 976 South central United States 977 North central United States 978 Western United States 979 Great Basin & Pacific Slope region of United States 980 History of South America 980 History of South America 981 Brazil 982 Argentina 983 Chile 984 Bolivia 985 Peru 986 Colombia & Ecuador 987 Venezuela 988 Guiana 989 Paraguay & Uruguay 990 History of other areas 990 History of Australasia, Pacific Ocean islands, Atlantic Ocean islands, Arctic islands, Antarctica, extraterrestrial worlds 991-992 Not assigned or no longer used 993 New Zealand 994 Australia 995 New Guinea & neighboring countries of Melanesia 996 Polynesia & other Pacific Ocean islands 997 Atlantic Ocean islands 998 Arctic islands & Antarctica 999 Extraterrestrial worlds It's a recognized template of classification that pre-dates the Internet. What could be the harm. |
AllegoryoftheCave | 17 Aug 2016 6:54 p.m. PST |
A Dewey History Boards categorized as above can be ported directly 9xx to /boards/topics.mv?id=9xx format Something for TMP4.0 perhaps. |
Brownbear | 18 Aug 2016 1:23 a.m. PST |
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deephorse | 18 Aug 2016 6:46 a.m. PST |
No. But no doubt in your mind that is an expression of interest. |
sjwalker38 | 18 Aug 2016 7:03 a.m. PST |
No from me as well. And any attempt to start a discussion about when 'No' might mean 'Yes' should be avoided at all costs, I suggest. |
deephorse | 18 Aug 2016 2:15 p.m. PST |
Too late. Somewhere near the top Bill takes one "yes" as a positive indicator, despite many times that number saying "no". |