SJDonovan | 05 Aug 2016 2:38 a.m. PST |
I have finally got round to painting some artillery crews and was about to start basing them when I realised I have over-looked something rather important: they haven't got any guns. I'm using 15mm Minifigs and they don't make any artillery pieces specifically for their American Revolution range so the question is should I use SYW or Napoleonic models? |
olicana | 05 Aug 2016 4:34 a.m. PST |
SYW, with what I think is called split trail.
This is a Brit 6pdr, and virtually everything would be British, some stolen by the tax dodgers, I believe. |
robert piepenbrink | 05 Aug 2016 4:58 a.m. PST |
SYW. The British don't go to block trail until after the AWI, and the stuff the French were providing us would be Vallerie they were replacing and not brand new Gribeauval. (An actual French unit might have Gribeauval, of course.) Might keep an eye out for small light guns--"gallopers" and "grasshoppers"--which tended to be used in outpost stuff in Europe and not on the main battle lines next to the 12 pounders. In a country pretty much without paved roads, priorities shift a bit. |
Brechtel198 | 05 Aug 2016 5:08 a.m. PST |
Rochambeau's Expeditionary Force brought the new Gribeauval pieces to North America in 1780, both field and siege guns, and they definitely served at Yorktown in September-October 1781. The American artillery train would be a combination of British pieces and the older French Valliere pieces which were sent to the Americans as part of the French support. |
steamingdave47 | 05 Aug 2016 5:42 a.m. PST |
@ olicana- love the last line! Hope we don't both finish up in the DH. |
Winston Smith | 05 Aug 2016 6:35 a.m. PST |
I'm surprised nobody else makes 15mm AWI artillery. |
SJDonovan | 05 Aug 2016 7:08 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll have a rummage through the lead pile and see if I can find some suitable SYW gun carriages. If I can't, my artillerymen are going to be standing round like a bunch of mimes loading an invisible cannon. |
Early morning writer | 05 Aug 2016 7:13 a.m. PST |
Stone Mountain and Musket Miniatures certainly make AWI artillery – and Blue Moon but too large I'd think to match Minifigs. And that's without even giving it thought. So,plenty out there to get. Polly Oliver would certainly work if they have the guns – not sure. And Essex, but they might be SYW guns. Plenty of period appropriate 15 mm guns out there. I'd dare to say that 15 mm has a wider and more complete range of figures for more periods than does 25 mm (or 18 vs 28 these days, I guess) based on all the complaining about not finding this or that in the larger scale. Not that there aren't gaps in 15/18 mm. I still can't find a African Cape Buffalo herd, dang-nab-it! |
SJDonovan | 05 Aug 2016 7:22 a.m. PST |
Polly Oliver do indeed make guns: link I had been planning to use proxies but I might have to invest in the real thing. |
Winston Smith | 05 Aug 2016 7:55 a.m. PST |
You want to get French tubes captured in 1759 and mount them on British carriages for Burgoyne's army. |
SJDonovan | 05 Aug 2016 9:29 a.m. PST |
Well I've had a look through the lead pile and found a few stray cannon of doubtful parentage that I could cobble together so there is an outside chance that I have got French tubes and British carriages. But it is just as likely that I have come up with ECW tubes and Austrian Napoleonic carriages. I think maybe I'd better put an order into Polly Oliver. |
vtsaogames | 06 Aug 2016 1:07 p.m. PST |
Blue Moon make AWI artillery in 15mm. |
Yellow Admiral | 10 Aug 2016 10:53 p.m. PST |
15mm AWI artillery manufacturers I know about: Stone Mountain (US): wargamingminiatures.com Old Glory 15s (US): link Musket Miniatures (US): link Polly Oliver (UK): pollyoliver.co.uk You should probably also check out the old Hallmark range of generic 18th C. artillery and artillerists, sold by Magister Militum (UK): magistermilitum.com The Blue Moon artillery is indeed too big for Irregular figures, or any other 15mm figure lines I know of. I bought a bunch, but replaced them with Musket Miniatures guns. - Ix |
Yellow Admiral | 11 Aug 2016 7:23 a.m. PST |
Correction: I'm still using the little Blue Moon galloper guns, because they're cute and small and look just fine. The Blue Moon 6 pdr is too big, dwarfing even the 12 pdrs from Musket Miniatures. I remembered another UK source – QRF (aka TSS): link - Ix |