"General de Division Friant Division 1809" Topic

Hello everyone,

With this division certain regiments such as the 108e and 48e ligne I could not find the sapper uniforms. 108e ligne there is only a painting on the 108e grenadier uniform. The 111e Ligne I found an Italian Napoleonic website and considering 111e was full of old piedmont army soldiers I took there evidence at face value. Here is the website and you can decide for yourself link

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Just a heads up I didn't position the lozenge and eagle shako plates based on how high they were covering the cockade or such. My goal is a basic knowledge of the uniforms for this period.

Michael

48e Ligne drummer and cornet circa 1812
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Michael

Hello everyone,

With this division certain regiments such as the 108e and 48e ligne I could not find the sapper uniforms. 108e ligne there is only a painting on the 108e grenadier uniform. The 111e Ligne I found an Italian Napoleonic website and considering 111e was full of old piedmont army soldiers I took there evidence at face value. Here is the website and you can decide for yourself link

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Just a heads up I didn't position the lozenge and eagle shako plates based on how high they were covering the cockade or such. My goal is a basic knowledge of the uniforms for this period.

Michael

Very Good MC, very Good!
I can now finish my Friant's Division!
More bearskin Grenadiers I must procure!

MG

Excellent Research. Thanks for sharing.

Extraordinary how much the lace on the drummer's coat is like Bourbon lace post Restoration. I have many saved images, of a style that long predated the Revolution and came back with Louis XVIII. But no doubt at all about this source. Nice image!

Marbots Chasseurs,

Could you please re-link these pictures? I have great need of them.

Thanks

I'm a bit confused by extrapolating the uniforms of the 108eme from the 111eme. I don't see any contemporary uniforms on the site. What source for the habit? It does look too good to be true to me.

Napoleon was quite the shark when it came to husbanding troops, especially 'Italians' of which he had a depth of knowledge.

The recruitment in force is seen by way of the Tirailleur Corse. Formed entirely of a few volunteers and many conscripts, he advised that "the further they are from home, the less likely temptation to desert".

SO he had the fine youth of Corsica shipped to St.Omer. In the two years preceding Austerlitz, at the grande Armée des l'Ocean Cotes, it is reported they had no deserters, nor on the march East to Moravia.

This policy can be seen constantly in play during Empire, mustering far from homes (French recruits in Italian states 1804-06 etc. fighting localised revolts and 'guerilla' actions).
regards davew

SHat1984,

I have to agree with you on the 111e Ligne. I found the website and based my plate off that. Sadly, I couldn't find any information in the unit history or from Frederic Bejeaud website. However, I decided to change my focus and make uniform plates on things that I could find. For instance, I have 4 portraits of Chasseur a Cheval Colonels who either we have their portrait or in the case of the two colonels on the right E. Fort based his plates off the unknown portrait. I know Fort isn't contemporary to the time period, but his portrait of Colonel Montesquieu is exactly like the one found in the 13e Chasseurs a Cheval unit history black and white portrait of that officer.

My goal would be to create a site just like Mr. Cabaret's mont saint jean uniforms website for 1809 time for the campaigns in Bavaria and Austria.

Btw I have moved to pinterst as this website is easier to store pictures on.

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second photo is of the 7e and 8e Hussars. Most of these are WIPs, but this has taken over my painting as I live in such a small apartment in Boston I have no room to paint.

Michael

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Just wanted to add a few more things I have been working on. This is the 3e,4e,and 9e Ligne Regiments Tambour Majors and Musician uniforms. Like the one from before still WIPs since I need to make the feathers on the tambour major hats. Also, what is the consensus on the 3e ligne drummers lace? Tri color like depicted by Rigo or Pale orange(gold??) like depicted by Rousselot? The otto manuscript clearly shows light blue for the sappeur and the order book of Colonel Schobert calls for light blue for the musicians.

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Hopefully, I can keep editing plates and get help from this community to make the most informed uniform plates possible.

Michael

Petits Soldats de Strasbourg:
15th Legere
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Prince de Essling,

Thank you for the plates! I see PS3 has the 3e ligne in 1810 in tricolor lace for the drummer per Rigo. I have a few aleady such as these as well. Can't beat petit soldats. My favorite!

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Michael

I think your new work is very good.
Keep at it and find us those lost resources ;-)
thanks and regards davew

@MarbotsChasseurs

your printerest files – look very nice, great work.

Do you have a link where to see all those documents you created ??

Thanks everyone,

von W what things would you like to see? My pinterest has all the information I have managed to find on the regiments in the French army. Contemporary and modern paintings, portraits, petit soldats, and anything else I could find.

Right now I am working on the regiments that fought at the battle of Teugen-Hausen, which include the command under General Montbrun. So this will include 7e,10e,15e Leger and 3e,33e,48e,57e,72e,105e,108e Ligne regiments. Thankfully, we are lucky to have a good amount of information on the 7e,10e,15e leger and 3e,33e,57e,105e, and some uniform details on others. The otto manuscript gives us great info on the 21e, 85e, and sapeur of the 25e ligne. I have also been researching using base Leonore to get information on officers and men who won the LdH.

This will be a very long project but hopefully I will get a blog going. The hardest part seems to be that uniform details are never 100% clear and I have no access to french archives on inspection reports to find any extra details.

Michael

how can I access your pinterest account is there a link?

I like your approach showing as many contemporary sources and secondary ones together and then on top of that make your won conclusions – buy that your work is extremely transparent.

von W,

Hopefully, this link works pinterest.com/boomerlc23

You may need to join to search through all. My personal favorite is the 12e leger due to the great page created by Frederic Berjeaud link
and a very in depth regimental history, which includes inspection reports, officers names and casualties. I have been able to find over 60 officers LdH and service records on Base Leonore. Tons of portraits as well of the officers who also served with the 15e Legere early on in their careers.

Here is the 3e Ligne Tete de Colonne link link

Michael

@Miachael,

Love your tete de Colnne de 3e Regiment d'Infanterie de Ligne.

Well done with your work & will be watching.

Prince de Essling,

I appreciate the kind words! I followed Rigo's Le Plumet plate on the regiment and also used the primary source detail from the Otto Manuscript. Since I am starting with Teugen Hausen which was in off and on again rain in early April 1809, most likely they would look more like this plate from Rigo. pin.it/yeil6sqxqkq3fo

Btw, I would love to take credit for the models, but I am merely copying,pasting,painting,and adding things to fit the 1809 time period from the excellent Mr.Alexis Cabaret models from Mont-saint-Jean uniforms. Without his site there would be no way to make this possible.

Michael

Good morning everyone,

I wanted to show you work on the 5e Hussards. Frederic Berjeaud website on the regiment is a gold mine of information and portraits. I have been able to find some more on my own, but I wanted to show you what I have finsihed so far. The uniforms for 5e Hussards in the 1808-1809 period seem to be somewhat hard to figure out a 100% correct uniform. So I used some portraits as you can see for the sous officer trumpeter which dates to early empire and the trumpeter of the elite company, elite company soldier, and wip of center company soldier. Two officers give us a interesting view of the regiment's uniforms. One who served with the regiment as an officer Hippolyte d'Espinchal and the other who served with the 12e Chasseurs a cheval as an officer named Maurice de Tascher. M. de Tascher says that during a review ( 12e and 5e Hussards were brigaded together) the Emperor asked why the 5e hussards did not have chin scales on their shakos and Colonel Dery said " Sire, dit le Colonel Dery, mes Hussards préviennent toujours le coup de l'ennemi, ainsi ils ne sont jamais frappés" So it seems by primary source details this regiment did not have chin scales on their shakos at least until end of 1809 campaign!

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Let me know what you think!
Michael

I also have always had a 5th Hussar regiment in my Napoleonic collection. I've seen so many wild trumpeter uniforms that I've decided to just go with reversed colors, as typical of hussar regiments. Nice work.

Michael,
Your pinterest link shows a bunch of recipes and some uniform plates, but none of your work like you've linked above. Am I doing something wrong, or is your work posted elsewhere.

Also, I'm not sure where I saw it, but I distinctly remember seeing a uniform plate of the 15e Legere drummer and sapper in yellow coats, not the red you have shown above. I'm not sure where I saw it, perhaps in one of the Hourtouille books with Joineau plates?

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This is all my informaiton I have found on the 15e Leger. I have also seen the plate of them in yellow, but I believe that is for 1812 time period. Most of my boards are hidden if not following my pinterest account.

I haven't really put to much of the work I have been doing since I would like to post things when they are closer to being finished. Right now I have done no work on Friant's of Montbrun Division.

Let me know if the link works.
Michael

>>Let me know if the link works.

No. Cant be found…
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A few different periods. The first are mainly 1809 and then some 1812 and the last few are 1804-1807 and to finish up with the tambour majors and bands. Hopefully, this information is useful.

Michael

Thank you. It is useful. I can't seem to get pinterest to work, but I've bookmarked your new blog, so I'll follow that with interest.