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vexillia18 Jul 2016 12:16 p.m. PST

Just starting out researching this army.

Do any of you have useful links to flags & standards to get me off to a flying start?

Thanks in advance.

Martin Stephenson
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Cold Steel18 Jul 2016 2:07 p.m. PST

Check the Files section of the TYW Yahoo Group. The group is dormant but full of good info.


dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2016 4:25 p.m. PST

don't you have to be a member to access the files?

Cold Steel18 Jul 2016 4:40 p.m. PST

Not for a public group.

vexillia19 Jul 2016 2:20 a.m. PST

Check the Files section of the TYW Yahoo Group.


Martin Stephenson
The Waving Flag | Twitter | eBay

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP19 Jul 2016 11:10 a.m. PST
Daniel S19 Jul 2016 1:13 p.m. PST

The thing is that FOG-R and most other rules lump together a large number of diffrent armies all with their own unique identity under the label "Early German Protestant". What you realy have is

Bohemians & their close allies 1618-1620
1st Army of Ernst von Mansfeld (formaly the army of the Elector Palatine) 1620-1623
Army of the Markgraf of Baden-Durlach 1621-1622
Army of Christian of Braunschweig aka the Mad Halberstadter 1621-1623
The armies of the Elector of Saxony 1618-1631 (Actualy spent most of the time either neutral warding of the incursions of marauders & foragers from passing armies or being on the Imperial side against the Bohemians)
The army of the Elector of Brandenburg 1626-1631 (Raised to protect Brandenburg against the incursions of Mansfeld & Wallenstein but ended up marching east to defend Prussia where the Swedes had just landed to pursue their war with Poland-Lithuania.)
2nd Army of Ernst von Mansfeld. 1626
Silesian army raised on behalf of Christian IV of Denmark and the lower Saxon circle 1626-1627

All of these armies had their own unique flags, unfortunately most of them are quite unknown to us as neither the flags nor detailed records or paintings of them as captured trophies have survived. The exception is the Saxons who are very well documented and there have been several well illustrated & researched books on their flags published recently.

For the other armies there are a few very rare designs & surviving flags which may be the real deal the rest of the stuff available tend to be conjectural. Now there is nothing wrong with conjectural flags as such, the conjectural designs only become a problem when they are presented as being actual historical flags and when the conjectural design has little or no connection with actual period designs. Unfortunately this is the case with a lot of TYW flags out there, for example Imperial flags tend to lack details which are found on just about every surviving flag recorded an so on. (There is also the habit of associating surviving flags with famous units or commanders with little or no evidence to back up the association. )

Tricorne197119 Jul 2016 8:54 p.m. PST

Did you get the Lucht books? If so, any opinions

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