| Winston Smith | 06 Jul 2016 6:54 p.m. PST |
Don't say "because that's his name, dummy".
Bear with me here.
The famous and gallant and chivalrous(?) French knight, Marshal of France, etc etc etc Jean Le Maingre is always referred to as "dit Boucicaut". As if that is a nickname or an honorific.
Google is no help. In English sites, he is referred to as "Jean Le Maingre, called Boucicaut".
In the very first Agincourt book I had, the Osprey of course, the plate refers to "Jean Le Maingre, dit Boucicaut".
No other nobles, French or English, is referred to this way. So, what does "Boucicaut" mean?
Merci. |
 miniMo  | 06 Jul 2016 7:52 p.m. PST |
Seems to be a famililial sobriquet shared by his brother and their father, perhaps meaning "loot basket"
link link Perhaps a family that values profit before chivalric honour. |
| Winston Smith | 06 Jul 2016 11:01 p.m. PST |
Ah. "Loot before honour", eh? 
Gotta paint him up.
If Jaime Lannister were a Greyjoy….. |
| Chokidar | 07 Jul 2016 2:48 a.m. PST |
"What's new Boucicaut..?" |
| MHoxie | 07 Jul 2016 4:22 a.m. PST |
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| RavenscraftCybernetics | 07 Jul 2016 4:39 a.m. PST |
it refers to the size and shape of his codpiece.
dont bother researching this, just trust me, |
| KSmyth | 07 Jul 2016 6:36 a.m. PST |
Winston, Pretty sure there is Boucicaut figure in the Perrty's command pack for Agincourt to Orleans range. Pretty nice too. |
| Winston Smith | 07 Jul 2016 7:26 a.m. PST |
Ravenscraft, I REALLY want to believe that. |
| RavenscraftCybernetics | 07 Jul 2016 3:22 p.m. PST |
Trust me, researching this will only end in tears. |
| Mike Target | 08 Jul 2016 5:01 a.m. PST |
Some mucking around with various online translaters suggests it means something like "Goat-Face" or "goat-mantle"… in some way bearing the resemblence of a goat either in looks or his clothing or something Well its as good an explantaion as any… |
| BelgianRay | 08 Jul 2016 12:13 p.m. PST |
Jean Le Maingre (Jehan le Meingre in Old French) was born in Tours. The sobriquet "Boucicaut" was traditionally given to prominent members of his gentry family.
When he came for the first time at the court of Philipe de Valois, he was given, unknown why,the nickname Boucicaut, which in old French means mercenary, and which became the patronymic name of his family. This Jean le Meingre was the first of this name and not the one from Agincourt. The Agincourt one was Jean II le Meingre dit Boucicaut, one if his 2 sons (the other being Greofrey). They all carried the patronymic Boucicaut since his father was given it.
Hope this clarifies it |
| Great War Ace | 09 Jul 2016 9:16 p.m. PST |
I always pronounced it "boozy cat" in my mind. :) But figured it must sound something like "Boo-kee-koh". Never even questioned what it might mean. Considered such a "quest" hopeless from the start…. |
| BelgianRay | 10 Jul 2016 10:33 a.m. PST |
You pronounce it "BOO-SI-CO". |
| Winston Smith | 10 Jul 2016 10:34 a.m. PST |
If every French knight had a nickname, like guys in the Mob, it wouldn't raise my interest a bit.
But in my not very extensive studies of French chivalry (mostly looking for easy coats of arms to paint), he or his family are the only ones I have found.
No Enguerrand "Big Tuna" de Coucy.
Just Jean Goat Face Moneybags le Maingre. |
| BelgianRay | 10 Jul 2016 10:44 a.m. PST |
yes, ignorance can be elevated to an art. |
begins his series on how to paint a 15mm DBA army well, in a reasonable time frame.
