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Tango0105 Jul 2016 12:18 p.m. PST

"TO SEE a nuclear horror story unfold, look no further than YouTube. In "My Nuclear Nightmare", a five-minute graphic film, Bill Perry, a former American defence secretary, describes how a breakaway faction of a rogue state's security forces enriches 40 kilograms of weapons-grade uranium in a secret facility and then constructs what appears to be a crude bomb, similar in design and yield to the kind that obliterated Hiroshima. It then transports the bomb in a box labelled "agricultural equipment" by civilian cargo aircraft to Dubai and on to Washington, DC. It is soon loaded onto a delivery truck and driven to Pennsylvania Avenue, where it is detonated at the halfway point between the White House and the Capitol building.

What follows is excruciating. More than 80,000 people are instantly killed, including the president, the vice-president and every member of Congress present. Another 100,000 are severely injured. Phones are down. A little later, it gets even worse: TV news stations have received a message that there are five more such bombs hidden in five more American cities. One bomb will be triggered each week unless all American troops serving abroad are immediately sent home. Panic ensues as people stream out of cities, and with the administration wiped out by the blast there is a constitutional crisis. Martial law is declared as looting and rioting spread; military detention centres spring up across the country…"

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This is a nightmare scenario in every-way…

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Armand

RavenscraftCybernetics Inactive Member05 Jul 2016 12:48 p.m. PST

Dont give them any ideas, Armand!

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2016 1:10 p.m. PST

I'm pretty sure they've already had plans for this for a decade, or more.

With some in the world, the story isn't too far fetched.

ITALWARS05 Jul 2016 2:02 p.m. PST

they are such a bunch of savages that it will end in a mess

tberry7403 Inactive Member05 Jul 2016 7:03 p.m. PST

Nicole Kidman in the movie Peacemaker": "I'm not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear weapons, Colonel. I'm terrified of the man who only wants one."

Aapsych20 Inactive Member05 Jul 2016 8:11 p.m. PST

Been done. Sum of All Fears.

Ucalegos Inactive Member05 Jul 2016 8:26 p.m. PST

Who is this "They" you're talking about?

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2016 8:51 p.m. PST

Wasn't nuclear blackmail the subject of a best-selling thriller several decades ago? "The Fifth Horseman" or some such? Much of which would be incredibly dated now (e.g., Col. Khadaffy being behind it all). But I remember calling the White House phone number as given in that book, and at the time it really WAS the White House main switchboard number!

Anyway, you can't base real world policies on sci-fi.

Something that I've often wondered about, in a related vein -- if suddenly, without warning, a nuclear or atomic device DID detonate someplace, how would it be possible to determine who was really responsible? Doesn't matter who, if anyone, claims credit -- could a "false flag" attack be carried out with a nuclear weapon? How could the responsible party be positively ID'ed?

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2016 8:55 p.m. PST

Radical Muslim jihadis of course, with a desire to bring about the end of times.

Iranians, Pakistanis, and some others adhere to the "death cult" like mentality of bringing on the apocalypse so that they can bring back their "great Mahdi".

So, I really worry about the Iranians and their proxies, the radical Pakistanis in their government, and heck, even the North Koreans whose leader seems to be very unstable by all accounts, and is frequently talking about nuking his enemies.

I wouldn't put it past any of them to provide nukes, and/or nuclear materials to the terrorists, so they can strike a heavy blow at Western civilization.

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2016 9:49 p.m. PST

Smuggling a nuke labeled "agricultural equipment" to the US by air? Think that's gonna work with the billions we spend on Homeland Security?

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2016 11:10 p.m. PST

Maybe.

Doesn't have to be by air – most likely by sea, or land.

You can't be everywhere, and watch everything.

Have you seen all those undiscovered tunnels they keep finding under the Southern California border?

My guess is TX and other states have them too.

ITALWARS06 Jul 2016 3:44 a.m. PST

do you think that pulp type bandits like ISIS guys with long beards and brandishing machetes while saying enraged words.. who fire AK 47 from over head and choose kamikaze as first choice battle tactic and whose primary target are women.. could understand how to use a device to start an atomic bomb?

ITALWARS06 Jul 2016 4:07 a.m. PST

try to imagine guys like those ones trying to fly a nuclear plane or even a joystick for guided missile…

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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2016 5:20 a.m. PST

"I'm not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear weapons, Colonel. I'm terrified of the man who only wants one."

That's stupid. If a man has one place he wants to nuke. I'm sure he could find 9 other places he would want of the map.

Do you really think someone like Osama could not find use for 10 nukes?

Stupid movie line!

tberry7403 Inactive Member06 Jul 2016 7:02 a.m. PST

Stupid movie line!

THAT, Sir, is a redundant sentence! grin

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2016 8:22 a.m. PST

Mako,I would point out that others besides (some) Muslims are actively working to bring about the "end times".

Personal logo Buff Orpington Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2016 9:44 a.m. PST

As planning to steal a nuclear weapon was one of the declared aims of the Red Army Faction back in the 70's this is nothing new. The closest they got was the Sidewinder they stole from a USAF base in Germany.

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2016 11:57 a.m. PST

They managed to learn how to fly jumbo jets into the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon.

Apparently, they weren't interested in learning how to land.

ITALWARS, Pakistanis do, have them in their possession, and many in the government, military, and intelligence services have jihadi allegiances/sympathies.

darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse06 Jul 2016 12:42 p.m. PST

No, that's a great movie line. The (rather obvious) point is that there's a big difference a state actor wanting a nuclear deterrent Arsenal and a fanatic that wants to actually use it.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2016 1:26 a.m. PST

But a fanatic would also want many nukes!
Again Osama would have loved to nuke 10 western cities not just one.
If you want one nuke. You would find use for 9 more.

Personal logo capncarp Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2016 1:55 p.m. PST

+1 to Mako: Yeah, I'd love to see the one they dug to Hawaii!

Personal logo capncarp Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2016 2:05 p.m. PST

Don't we have D.O.E. NEST teams to filter for such devices?

ITALWARS07 Jul 2016 4:20 p.m. PST

"ITALWARS, Pakistanis do, have them in their possession, and many in the government, military, and intelligence services have jihadi allegiances/sympathies"…don't think so in this negative way…if we don't pest Pakistan Government whose role is very delicate and important in the area..with the imposition of Anti – Nuke treaties..without considerint that all his Nuclear assets are only a self defense Vs India ambitions and not VS the West..and if..too many intellectuals stop to support bizarre "liberal" groups in the country..which in fact are only proxies of the terrorists…i don't see any nuclear danger from a legitimate Government like the Pakistani one

kyoteblue Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2016 2:15 p.m. PST

+ to capncarp for the N.E.S.T. teams….

Balthazar Marduk09 Jul 2016 7:21 a.m. PST

I drive a tractor trailer at the port… Every container being taken off of the ship goes through the radiation detector.

Any bomb would have to be pretty well shielded to avoid detection.

Worst case scenario is they set it off on my trailer.

But if a nuke went off at most container terminals, it would be pretty close to the city.

Vancouver's south shore terminals are right in the downtown east side, for example. That would annihilate pretty much everything of economic value and probably kill hundreds of thousands in a single shot thanks to density.

arngrimson01 Aug 2016 3:02 a.m. PST

The thing is that "they" don't need a nuke, to cause panic, make a city close down, "they" can do the same thing with a chemical or bio attack, and it's a lot harder to find/stop these attacks as they don't need shielding like a nuke.

Rick Don Burnette15 Aug 2016 3:37 a.m. PST

And this can be gamed using miniatures how exactly?
Some kind of extended espionage smuggler skirmish game, or just a NEST vs nuclear terrorists RPG?

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa21 Aug 2016 1:36 p.m. PST

Alarmist nonsense for the first half and the second half seems to be overly keen on words like 'Federal', 'martial law' and 'detention centre'. A mention of FEMA would have got me house in conspiracy theory bingo.

It would have to be one hell of a 'breakaway faction' to manage what is proposed – more like the entire state! A lab full of ultra centrigues dosen't grow on trees and nor does sufficient uranium to produce 40 kilos of 90% enriched material. And some one has got to do the work, there are a lot of skill sets required that make learning to fly a Jumbo look like an evening class, and are they all in on it? I doubt it, and could you trust that many skilled and educated people even if they didn't know? Some could well be informers for security services or for rival politcal factions! And you can't just necessarily relie on enthusiastic ideological sound amateurs. Pop quiz, 'one of your centrifuge rigs starts pee'ing yellow liquid all over the floor, do you (a) put bucket under the leak so you don't loose any more of that hard won enriched uranium, or (b) put the project back by letting go all over the floor?'

Rick Don Burnette22 Aug 2016 7:12 p.m. PST

This is The Miniatures Page, so, answer the question: How do you wargame, using miniatures, this nuclear terrorist what if??
If it cant be gamed, except like one of Paddy Griffith's Black Games, no miniatures, then what is this discussion doing on The MINIATURES Page???!!!

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