| tomrommel1 | 28 Jun 2016 11:27 p.m. PST |
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| cavcrazy | 29 Jun 2016 6:48 a.m. PST |
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| Marc at work | 29 Jun 2016 8:53 a.m. PST |
Long way to go? How many were you thinking of – figures per battalion, how many battalions etc? And what will make these the 27th? I am interested as I am such a heathen and just paint up generic units – more meat for the grinder in our games – so always interested to see how people differentiate their units Marc |
| davbenbak | 29 Jun 2016 9:02 a.m. PST |
They look great but where's the rest of the regiment? |
| wrgmr1 | 29 Jun 2016 1:07 p.m. PST |
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| MarbotsChasseurs | 30 Jun 2016 11:12 a.m. PST |
Hopefully, not butting in too much but here is a picture from the Fichier Carl Collection and one from Le Plumet-Rigo of the 27e Ligne 1809.
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[/URL] Hope that helps.
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 deadhead  | 30 Jun 2016 1:13 p.m. PST |
That top picture struck me as important, as looks contemporary style. Doubts crept in when I see Imperial lace on the drummer in 1809…a few years too early? |
| MarbotsChasseurs | 30 Jun 2016 2:10 p.m. PST |
Btw I really like the way you painted those victrix French. They look great! Deadhead: I believe the Carl Collection is correctly showing the same lace as Rigo's plate, but just showing shade and highlight of the yellowish gold? However, Victor Huen shows a much different looking voltigeur that I believe he used Ernest Fort as source for his painting. Ernest Fort was a painter that got his sources from El Guil Manuscript that depicts French uniforms during the Peninsular War if I am not mistaken. Mr. Guy Dempsey describes it best here link |
| archiduque | 01 Jul 2016 3:03 a.m. PST |
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| Marc at work | 01 Jul 2016 4:41 a.m. PST |
red pompom on the fusilier? |
| deadhead | 01 Jul 2016 9:47 a.m. PST |
The link is fascinating. Like the illustrations from the Otto manuscript, raises many questions and provenance is uncertain. That Carl plate is surely showing the green coat and Imperial lace (yellow with green eagles and N's), not the blue with gold lace, and seems an anachronism for 1809. My hunch is that it depicts them as in 1809, but might be created slightly later. But I stress I am no expert whatsoever at such things! |
| MarbotsChasseurs | 01 Jul 2016 11:16 a.m. PST |
Deadhead- I have to disagree with you because on my computer monitor all the blue coats look exactly the same. Fichier Carl does have some mistakes, but does give a good base for many of well document regiments such as the 10e,15e,16e leger and 4e,18e,57,63e ligne for 1809 period and also shows regiments in the later 1812 Bardin uniforms. Half way down the page this website has the Commandant Bucquoy plates for 27e Ligne 1808-1812 link |
| deadhead | 01 Jul 2016 12:02 p.m. PST |
Well I have two sons who are colour blind but they can only inherit that from their mother. Her dad is 87 and was a painter and decorator….but is colour blind! On mine it is as green as the epaulettes on light co's. Who cares? What is great is the link you provided above. That is what I love about this forum. The wealth of sources folk can produce…many thanks for the link. OK, this question has often been discussed, but every figure from the Carl collection has an eagle shako plate. When did the diamond/lozenge disappear? 1809…..seems a bit early to me. I again admit…I have no idea! I am just asking…. |
| von Winterfeldt | 01 Jul 2016 11:04 p.m. PST |
Carl is not a contemporary source compared to other artist – like Boresch for more on the fascinating story of paper soldiers link On colours, I have to agree with MarbotsChasseurs |
| deadhead | 02 Jul 2016 2:08 a.m. PST |
So do I now. I magnified the image. Absolutely right. It is indeed blue. The yellow next to blue on a small monitor made it look green! I had to almost press my nose to the screen surface….it is blue! I was nearly right……… More great links here. I love the lads crossing the Danube. Quite a conversion potential there. You can tell they are half frozen………. |
| von Winterfeldt | 02 Jul 2016 7:05 a.m. PST |
you mean crossing the Limat? |
| Marc the plastics fan | 03 Jul 2016 3:54 a.m. PST |
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| MarbotsChasseurs | 03 Jul 2016 2:20 p.m. PST |
Von Winterfeldt, Since Boersch is the more contemporary to the time period are his paper soldiers the most accurate? I have found a lot of pictures of the paper soldiers collections of Carl, Wurtz, Nichollet,Boeswilwald, and Henri Boesillier. Who is the most accurate? The pompom color was not made official until 1812 correct? Such regiments like the 57e Ligne had yellow pompoms with red tuffs for the fusilier companies and I believe the 3e Ligne had blue pompoms with red tuffs. Michael |
| von Winterfeldt | 04 Jul 2016 4:21 a.m. PST |
MarbotsChasseurs Difficult to say who is the most accurate, Boersch seems to be contemporary and may have drawn and designed what he did see in person. About the pompom colour – it was known in 1786 – but when the battalion was made up of 9 companies – no regulation pompom colour is known up to the Bardin regulations. |
| Marc the plastics fan | 05 Jul 2016 2:35 a.m. PST |
Now that is interesting about the pompoms. And I hadn't considered the pre 6 company structure. So up to 1813 anything goes? |
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