Tango01 | 28 Jun 2016 3:57 p.m. PST |
" Twin explosions rocked Istanbul's Ataturk airport in what officials say was a suicide attack * Gunfire also reported to have broken out from the direction of its car park * Initial reports claim around 40 people have been injured in the explosions * At least 10 people have died, with taxi drivers ferrying injured to hospital Suicide bombers have killed at least 10 and wounded 40 at Istanbul's Ataturk airport after blowing themselves up as police opened fire, according to Turkish officials. It is understood that a 'terrorist' first opened fire with a Kalashnikov, before blowing himself up. It is not yet clear how many attackers were involved as witnesses reported twin blasts that struck at the International Arrivals Terminal at 7.50pm GMT – 9.50pm local time. The first photographs to emerge from the airport show a scene of devastation, with debris and what appear to be ceiling tiles scattered over the taxi ranks outside the airport…." More here link Amicalement Armand |
Legion 4 | 28 Jun 2016 4:06 p.m. PST |
Yes, that is all that is on the news now. And justifiably so … No one has claimed it yet. But it's either Kurds or more likely Daesh or one of the other radical islamic groups. My $$$ is on Daesh for a number of reasons. But we'll just have to wait and see. This sort of thing in that region is becoming far too common place. |
ITALWARS | 29 Jun 2016 2:54 a.m. PST |
a pair of vultures..ehm..sorry a pair of guys here. could add, also in this case: …"we have to respect different cultures and we don't have to discriminate" |
Murvihill | 29 Jun 2016 8:34 a.m. PST |
Do the Kurds use suicide bombers? |
Legion 4 | 29 Jun 2016 8:50 a.m. PST |
Not usually … they use command detonated, booby trapped, etc. … All the signatures here point to Daesh. At one point Turkey didn't really care or see Daesh as a threat. The Turks were more concerned about their traditional enemies – the Kurds and Assad. This may be a wake up call. It appears the Turks may have to get involved in a big way. I remember my frustration as the Turks paraded most US made AFVs along their border. As Deash and the Kurds fought over Kolbani about a year ago. All the Turks had to do roll across the border with all that armor with FA & CAS support. And kill off a large numbers of Daesh. But again, they saw the Kurds as bigger threat. And the Syrians were in no shape to go after the Turks, if this happened. Of course there would probably some geopolitical fallout. But that seems to be the norm in that region. But in the meantime … Daesh keeps killing more and more of their brother moslems. And many other "Infidels" … History will look back on this era as an amazing set of circumstances that got very much out of control. And the US's traditional roll as a world leader was no where to be found. Leadership is something not all "leaders" elected or otherwise just don't possess because of their position. |
Mako11 | 29 Jun 2016 10:35 a.m. PST |
Yea, seems like ISIS to me. A pity the security/police officer didn't put a bullet in the terrorists brain to keep him from blowing himself up. Hope they rectify that error in the future. I suspect though, he probably ran off thinking the guy had a dead man's switch to detonate his vest, which appears was not the case, given how hard he had to work to set his bomb off. |
Tango01 | 30 Jun 2016 12:20 p.m. PST |
You have to be there my friend… I can imagin the tension when you have to get down a suicide guy… full of powder… The police guy was a heroe!… Amicalement Armand |
Legion 4 | 30 Jun 2016 1:17 p.m. PST |
It's seems to be confirmed that 3 homicide bombers were under Daesh leadership's orders. They came from former USSR states that border A'stan, etc., from that region. According to the Turk's intel. And it seems that they went thru Raqqa to Turkey about a month ago. And they most likely had support from inside Turkey. For many months now many people including me have been saying Raqqa must be liberated from Daesh. It's their Capital, their Center of Gravity. Maybe now the Turks along with other local "allies". Will move East about 80kms and retake Raqqa. And kill as many of Daesh as possible. Save to capture some for intel. And then they can be charged with wars crimes, crimes against humanity, etc., … Raqqa falling will go a long way on the road to ending Daesh and their supporters. And the West has to get it. Assad is here to stay. Daesh is a worldwide threat. Assad is a dictator/tyrant but he is no threat to anyone but his own people. The West should take the lessons learned from deposing Saddam and Gaddafi. In retrospect they were very much the lesser of evils, it appears. |
Mako11 | 30 Jun 2016 2:18 p.m. PST |
Raqqa should be flattened today, via carpet bombing. Drop leaflets, and give the residents there 24 hours to evacuate/surrender, to a cordon of military personnel surrounding the city, if you want to play nice. Swab everyone for gunpowder residue, take their pics, biometrics, etc., etc.. Anyone comes up positive gets jail time, or worse. Then, let the bombing begin. "Roof-knocker" bombs first, again, if you want to play nice, like the Israelis do, starting at one end of the city, and moving progressively across it. Follow those up, 12 – 24 hours later with general purpose, dumb bombs, until Raqqa ceases to exist. That would send a strong message to the followers/supporters of ISIS that we mean business, and are not to be trifled with. |
Legion 4 | 30 Jun 2016 2:33 p.m. PST |
Sooner than later Raqqa has to be liberated one way or another … But with the current leadership across the board almost worldwide that won't happen anytime soon. Putin may be the White Knight(?) if he pushes/supports Assad to retake to Raqqa. And continues to clear Syria of the Daesh/AQ threat. But as of late the Assad forces are not doing too well … if I have heard correctly. |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Jul 2016 2:35 a.m. PST |
Mako 11 wrote: Raqqa should be flattened today, via carpet bombing. Al-Raqqah is in Syria, a sovereign state with which the USA is not at war. The government of the US is unlikely to declare war on Syria. To bomb Al-Raqqah would be an act of war. Furthermore such an act might very well bring Russia into direct conflict with US forces as Russia might attempt to defend its ally's air space from attack. This might very well escalate and a wider war could result. Your global war on terrorism might morph into the terror of global war. Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Ucalegos | 01 Jul 2016 7:58 a.m. PST |
'"Warcrime" Or How to grow more terrorists' A fantasy by Mako11, aged 12 & 3/4s |
Legion 4 | 01 Jul 2016 8:15 a.m. PST |
Yes … we all know that, war crimes, Syrian airspace, etc., etc., … That is why Raqqa is still Deash's Caliphate "De Facto" capital. Assad and his Russian, Hezbollah, IRG, etc. allies will/must retake Raqqa back from Daesh. That belongs to the real nation/state Syria. Not matter how much Daesh claims otherwise. And Sooner than later I hope. With many Daesh losses … However, I'm a firm believer once the Caliphate's capital is gone and in other hands. It will start to limit it's numbers in jahadis and future volunteers. Many even if they are a full blown full tilt radicalized moslem fundamentalist … They may think twice about joining Daesh. Or at least there. They may go to Libya or A'stan. But I don't think either of those will be as strong as the movement in Syria. And I think the Talis and their AQ buds may give Daesh there as very hard time. As the ANA/ANP can't seem to do anything really effective against any of their enemies. Even the Iraqis with much US/Western support is starting slowly to push back Daesh in Iraq. So once Mosul is retaken as well as Raqqa. Daesh will not be as effective as it once was or will be again … Again requiring many Daesh losses. As I don't think many of this type can be "rehabilitated" and work at a Starbucks or Micky D's, etc., … |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Jul 2016 2:51 p.m. PST |
I think believing the attribution of this attack to ISIL is unwise at this point and we should wait until any real evidence is put forward. If ISIL did attack Ataturk Airport then the regime can claim it was outside of their control and responsibility as the culprits were foreign actors. If however, the attack was organized by Kurdish elements like the TAK then the attack would bring with it an obligation to clean up the Turks own house. ISIL has not yet claimed responsibility for the attack and ISIL depends on Turkish ambiguity to provide a conduit to get supplies, money and recruits for ISIL to the inchoate caliphate. The nationalities of the three attackers and the very well coordinated fireteam tactics which they used to draw security personnel towards them before detonating their explosives seem out of place from the run of the mill ISIL atrocity. So, I think the jury is still out on who is behind this attack. Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Legion 4 | 01 Jul 2016 2:58 p.m. PST |
And no one is really advocating carpet bombing. This is not WWII. We have much better targeting systems and smart ordinance. Much more effective both militarily and economically … Late news says the Turkey bombing was done by some Chechen "Warlord". Who used to be a commander in Daesh … They moved thru Raqqa with Daesh's blessings. I'd expect nothing less … And on to Turkey. So that is close enough for me. And at this point Daesh, AQ, etc., etc., they are all basically the same. With their basic mission is to kill the infidel … Which by the way is us … in case anyone has forgotten. |
Legion 4 | 01 Jul 2016 3:03 p.m. PST |
News Alert- Daesh affiliated terrorists in Bangladesh are committing a terrorist attack in a downtown eatery there. As I type this. Daesh is claiming they are their Deash Commandos. Hmmm ? |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Jul 2016 3:07 p.m. PST |
Yup, and notice ISIL has taken responsibility for it right away as it usually does. But not in the case of the Ataturk Airport attack. It makes me wonder why. Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Rod I Robertson | 01 Jul 2016 3:12 p.m. PST |
Legion 4: And no one is really advocating carpet bombing. This is not WWII. We have much better targeting systems and smart ordinance. Much more effective both militarily and economically … Mako 11's post seemed pretty clear and he used the word "today" so that rules out an historical metaphor. I think we should take him at his posted word until he feels the need to clarify his position. Cheers. Rod Robertson. |
Legion 4 | 02 Jul 2016 6:12 p.m. PST |
Well I didn't think he was seriously advocating that. Just airing a little frustration. But yes, you are going to have to ask him directly. |
Ucalegos | 02 Jul 2016 11:03 p.m. PST |
I don't think it could get much clearer without posting a picture of Dresden and smiley face. |
Legion 4 | 03 Jul 2016 7:36 a.m. PST |
Again … you will have to ask him directly … As I have said. |
Barin1 | 03 Jul 2016 10:25 a.m. PST |
Coming back to the original subject… Airports, underground, theatres, stadiums, etc. are very vulnerable to determined terror groups. We knew that, we've learned in a bad way, but we still don't do enough. I've been travelling this week from Moscow to Paris and back. I was surprised at certain differences – for instance, in Moscow airports you're passing first security check with metal detectors on airport entrance. Interesting, that international aviation security committee recommended us to remove this check as it was creating a queue so the passengers will be vulnerable to terror attacks. Ok, you can have several dozens people there, but at least the queue goes fast and it can prevent the terrorists of getting inside. Now, in Orly airport you don't have thus first check, but in order to get to "normal" check you're moving like 50 minutes right inside the building on the first floor, so there the floor is packed with hundreds, if not a couple of thousand very vulnerable people. I was also surprised that I haven't seen armed patrols, even that announcements of red threar levels were coming each five minutes. I was in France once after another terror attack, and at that time there were arnmed troops and police everywhere…but not now. May be bcs. of football championship, but still. Of course, if you have allies inside you can still commit an attack, or plant a bomb, like it was in Egypt, but we should not make their lifes easier. Also interesting that the supposed leader of the group was a person that Russia was trying several times to get extradicted, but he had plenty of international human rights organizations preventing it…Georgian authorities are claiming that he was an agent for previous government of Saakashvili, so had a full freedom and all visa to travel around Europe. At certain point the guy was arrested in Ukraine, but again, his extradiction never happened… |
ITALWARS | 05 Jul 2016 1:43 p.m. PST |
While Mako posting..appear a little exagerated in therms of proposal of retaliation…if you know the mentalithy of those people..not only the terrorists one but above all the quasi totality of the so called "moderate" population who support them ..this strong attitude will be far more respected than our traditional approaches..simply because it will belong to a code understandable for them… |