Duc de Limbourg | 26 Jun 2016 3:39 a.m. PST |
As title said. Did they already had the olive green colouring? |
von Winterfeldt | 27 Jun 2016 8:30 a.m. PST |
in the Revolution a lot still had the old Grey colour |
Brechtel198 | 27 Jun 2016 1:14 p.m. PST |
in the Revolution a lot still had the old Grey colour Source? |
von Winterfeldt | 28 Jun 2016 6:03 a.m. PST |
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Duc de Limbourg | 28 Jun 2016 10:20 a.m. PST |
Thanks, more sources? Just another question, when did the french started with the grey color? |
von Winterfeldt | 28 Jun 2016 1:22 p.m. PST |
I was under the impression that the grey colour was the original colour of the Gribeauval – more sources – tomorrow |
Brechtel198 | 28 Jun 2016 2:49 p.m. PST |
Pictures/paintings are nice and useful, and sometimes accurate; hard copy primary material is much better. . During the Valliere period, pere et fils, artillery vehicles were painted red. Blue gray after 1776 is undoubtedly accurate and marks Gribeauval's ascendancy in artillery. |
42flanker | 28 Jun 2016 4:56 p.m. PST |
Not quite haiku…but close |
summerfield | 29 Jun 2016 4:21 a.m. PST |
The French royalist artillery should be blue after 1776. Sometimes described as blue grey but was a medium blue. Stephen |
von Winterfeldt | 29 Jun 2016 5:59 a.m. PST |
from battle of second Zürich
interesting different colours of wheels and gun carriage of this print – there exist two versions, one as shown here with grey colour and then the more conventional wisdom
and at 1809 crossing the Danube
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Duc de Limbourg | 29 Jun 2016 9:33 p.m. PST |
And whe was the green colour ordered? |
Duc de Limbourg | 06 Jul 2016 9:57 p.m. PST |
I received two Histoire et Collections books about french artillery. These only show the green colour for artillery pieces. No information about colours of the pieces in the text. So probably grey (grey blue) was only used sparingly? |
von Winterfeldt | 06 Jul 2016 10:56 p.m. PST |
Looking at the image from the 1809 campaign, it doesn't seem so – also we are short on contempoary pictures of that time, Histore et Collection isn't bad, but not a deep study. For me – both were in use in the Revolutionary period Here again another contemporary picture of 1800
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Scharnachthal | 06 Jul 2016 11:30 p.m. PST |
"Medium blue/blue grey after 1776 – system Gribeauval, before that – La Vallière system, red", etc. How often will I have to read this nonsense again? Medium blue/bluegrey (and grey) was in use with the the royal artillery (guns and ammunition vehicles) since the 1740s at the latest. Example: link "Red" was in use for the supply train only: link Van Blarenberghe is a most credible source. He painted his War of Austrian succession series years after the event but was an eye witness. As a young men he actually saw the army and he also was well acquainted with Jean-Baptiste Berthier, father of Louis-Alexandre and by then an instructor at the École de Mars. Other contemporary painters show grey gun carriages as well, such as Pierre Lenfant in his "Le Siège de Calais 1756" (couldn't find a picture of this painting in the net so far, sorry). |
Supercilius Maximus | 07 Jul 2016 5:23 a.m. PST |
In the second link, what is the significance of the crowned "W" (or is it an intertwined "VV"?) on the cover of the wagon and the harness of the teams? |
Beeker | 07 Jul 2016 7:00 a.m. PST |
@ summerfield Are there any comprehensive … or close to comprehensive sources (perhaps one of your own or future works) that provides a good description of trains and logistics during the revolutionary and Napoleonic periods for the various players? Something with a description of the diverse vehicles and colour schemes would be great to have for reference. Cheers! Beeker |
Scharnachthal | 07 Jul 2016 7:51 a.m. PST |
@Supercilius Maximus Actually, the crowned "W" is an intertwined "VV" which stands for the plural word "Vivres", the French designation for the supply service: link |
Duc de Limbourg | 21 Jul 2016 10:57 p.m. PST |
Thanks for all the info. Just the one question remaining (for me), when was the green colour ordered ? Although it seems that it took a long time to be implemented. |