"Sci-Fi Miniatures/Game System Scales" Topic

I thought i had seen this posted before but I can't find it…

Is there any place that contains the scales for various Sci-Fi game Systems and minis?

I'm looking for things like:

CAV
Battletech
DropZone Commander
Heavy Gear
Armoured Clash
epic
etc

I have a collection of miniatures from different game systems and I am trying to put together a few Horizon Wars armies and for the life of me, a lot of game systems that I thought were all 1/285 or 6mm don't seem to be scaled the same.

Thanks

Moe

CAV 1/144 12mm
Battletech 1/285 6mm
DropZone Commander 10mm?
Heavy Gear 12mm 1/144
Armoured Clash ??
epic 1/285 6mm

MechWarrior (BattleTech Clicks) 1/144

Thanks for the quick response, is there a list somewhere that would have more scifi game systems?

I have converted some of the MechWarrior Battle Click figures for 15 mm Science Fiction. Now that I see they are 1/144/12 mm that would explain why they look right to me for 15 mm. In other words close enough.

Many times it is just the Infantry that matter in the scales.
Most vehicles work across many.

The mech in 6mm may have a crew in 28mm it is a heavy suit.

I use some of the Hawk 10mm Infantry as heavy power armor for my 6mm troops.

Also some of the Clix stuff as well, the Mecha are multi crewed as well.

Just saying much will mix and match with a unified paint scheme.

The list is a good start, but do not feel it is written in permacrete.

Yes, all 6mm is not created equal. GHQ is 1/285th and GW Epic is 1/300 … but GHQ is generally smaller than Epic ?

And the new Epic may be 8mm infantry scale.

For scifi scales list

* Laserstorm 6mm

There are several scales for Heavy Gear.

Used to be 1/87th I believe (or possibly 1/100th), originally.

So what everyone is saying is: I'm not losing my mind.

Some of the CAV and Heavy Gear stuff did look a bit bigger than other figs.

You might be losing your mind byut it is not for that reason.

An old resource that may help (or send you off in despair.)

TMP link
From said document:

* using "eye height" as the rule for height scale
Converting Between Scale Types

To theoretically convert ratio scales into height scales – and assuming here that height scales measure to "eye height" while ratio scales measure to "head height" – divide 1610 by the scale. For example, 1/285 figures are pretty much the same scale as
1610 / 285 = 5.65
6mm figures.

The reverse is also true: to get ratio scale, divide 1610 by the height scale. Thus, 25mm figures are equivalent to
1610 / 25 = 64.4
1/64 scale (which is in spitting distance of 1/72 scale, another common scale).

This means that 15mm toy soldiers are probably about 16.5mm tall overall, which makes them closer to 1/110 scale than 1/120. N-gauge figures (1/160) are about 11.25mm tall to the top of the head, which makes them about 10mm scale toy soldiers.
Where does the Magic Number 1610 Come From?

To get the magic number, all you need to come up with the "eye height" of the average man, measured in millimeters. The number we use is 1610 mm (about 5' 3").

Why does the magic number work? Because equivalent height and ratio scales, multiplied, should always result in the same constant (our magic number). In the simplest case, we take real life – 1:1 ratio scale, eye height of 1610 mm – and multiply 1 x 1610 = 1610. Therefore, 1610 is the constant.

So what is the magic number for a manufacturer who measures height scale to top of the head, rather than to eye level? Simply the height of the average man in millimeters – 1730 (5' 8").

Edit: and, yes, it out of date by a wide margin – 1/600th is no longer just naval only.

CAV claims to be N-scale, aka 1/160th, aka 10.06 mm in size.

link

IMO … 6mm-8mm Infantry will work fine together. As will 10mm vehicles. At least for Humans. Aliens can be anything from 2-3mm to 10-12mm … It's a big universe … and all life forms are not created equal …

For example, Epic Ogryn = 10mm and Ratling Snipers = 3-4mm. CinC SEM has the best mix of Aliens in 6mm from what I've seen. And those aliens are generally 6mm. But some as 3mm to 10mm … link I've posted pics of most of these on here. Just scroll thru this 6mm Sci-fi board …

-CAV is an intersting case. They are trying to be 10mm aka N scale, but they also incorporate quite a few figures from "Talon Games" that were formerly 6mm Battletech-style figures. If you look

-As for Heavy Gear, the earlier scale was 1/72 when it was manufactured by RAFM

With mecha, I wouldn't worry too much about exact scale if you aren't sticking to a particular universe. Rather I'd be looking at the size of the mini and it's cockpit. As an example, alot of early heavy gear stuff looks great alongside 10mm mecha. Technically it's half the size, but since heavy gear is armored suits without many scale indicator it works great as a mechs at a smaller scale.

CAV, for another example is generally 10mm, but because of the size of units in the game, if you're playing along side Mechwarrior clix figs (also 10mm aprox) they will mostly be light mechs.

If you've already got alot of figs, I'd just put together some groups that look good and then expand them based on that.

To be honest most of the Mechs work out well in Horizon wars.. The range of sizes are great for the three sizes of mechs. The biggest problem was the infantry and some vehicles. Some of the Heavy gear Vehicles are HUGE, especially compared to some 6mm ones. But I'll make it work. :D

Its a mess out there, but I find most mecha figures will work great with 6 and 10mm infantry and vehicles.

CAV 1/144 12mm << Reaper says it is N Scale
Battletech 1/285 6mm
DropZone Commander 10mm?
Heavy Gear 12mm 1/144 << Current line is 1/144 scale/N Scale.
Armoured Clash ?? << Don't know this one.
Epic 1/285 6mm
Mechwarrior:DA 1/144 – N scale.

Companies seem to have, as usual, a difference on what is 12mm or N Scale or 1/144 and even 1/160 scale. They use the scales interchangeably but seem to be passable to mix well enough.

Heavy Gear's has only had two scales. The original scale was 1/87 when done by RAFM. Not 1/100 or 1/72. They worked well for 15mm scale PA. The bigger ones especially. Current HG figs work as well and are N scale according to DP9's site.
Mechwarrior Clix have a use as well. Crimson Hawk and Mongoose, Uziel just to name a few that will work for PA in 15mm.
Battletech has the pilot in the head like a Gundam., hence the original scale of 1/285th.
CAV has a few big boys that can be used for other scales. But another N scale line that has multiple uses.

Grimm

N scale means different things according to country.

UK it's 2mm to the foot, except when it's not (railway joke). American N is smaller. Australian different again.

GIYF: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_scale

TL;DR: N scale ranges between 1/144th to 1/160th.

And while BattleTech is 1/285, the old Ral Partha infantry is 8mm. And they work fine with the old 6mm Epic figures. So if Epic goes to 8mm, that will be no problem.

Nice railway joke Pink ^,^ (we do N gauge modelling here and understand!)