"I love Lyanna Mormont" Topic

I just had to say it.
Too bad the show never bothered with Dacey Mormont, who has some quite hot fan art.

Hahah yeah she was great.

That scene reminded me of many a roleplaying encounter:

"I try to persuade the lady. Dang. Failed my roll."

"Ok, I'll try. DANG. Hey, you try now."

"What's my skill level? Ok…"

She was a hoot!

The big question though is who did Sansa write to? My money is on Baelish.

Yes, that was a bright spot in an otherwise lackluster episode. Loved the character. Also agree it's a shame we never got to see her sister (or mother) in the show.

Sansa is either writing to Baelish or the Blackfish. Or both!

-Will

My money is on Baelish.

That was my wife's thinking, too, and it seems likely, but I'm not so sure.

What if Sansa is sending a raven to Riverrun? I could see the Blackfish (her great-uncle) agreeing to yield the castle, only to ride north to join Sansa in retaking Winterfell.

Two things bothered me about this otherwise great episode.

1. When did the Brotherhood without Banners turn into marauders? They were (originally) protecting smallfolk from the raids by knights and the various armies. Seemed odd that they were now murdering the peasants. I guess I can buy "the Lord of Light wants those heretics killed" but that's a big change from when Dondarrion was in charge.

2. A girl suddenly getting dumb. She knew the Faceless Men would come after her for the doublecross. In the last episode, we saw her get Needle and hide out in a hole. This week, she's strolling around the city without a care in the world, even though every face could be a disguise.

I grant you, almost every GRRM death is heralded by the character getting suddenly stupid ("Hey, my dire wolf is really agitated, I better lock him up!"), but come on.

While I'm sure Arya miraculously won't die, there must be some sort of Bravvosi cure for peritonitis, 'cause the multiple stab wounds to the abdomen are bad news.

1. When did the Brotherhood without Banners turn into marauders? They were (originally) protecting smallfolk from the raids by knights and the various armies. Seemed odd that they were now murdering the peasants.

Did you get that they were the BW/oB? That didn't occur to me.

Don't forget "murdering any Frey they could get hold of".

A girl suddenly getting dumb. She knew the Faceless Men would come after her for the doublecross. In the last episode, we saw her get Needle and hide out in a hole. This week, she's strolling around the city without a care in the world, even though every face could be a disguise.

Exactly what I was yelling at the TV the whole time! The Book-Arya leveled-up, little by little. She made mistakes, but she was definitely getting there.

Just when you think TV-Arya finally "gets it" she shows that once again she really, really doesn't. Seriously, that kid is DENSE. I have long been finding it hard to root for her, season after season, with her trying to be a ninja badass and yet having trouble tying her shoelaces.

No, this is the screenwriter's fault.

A viewer thinks Arya will wander about and near deaths doorstep The Hound will find her and save her again. Then The Hound will wander over to Kings Landing and fall under the guidance of The High Sparrow where he will fight his brother in Cersei's trial by combat. They will kill each other in dramatic fashion.

Sansa sent a raven to Littlefinger who will come to her aid with the Knights of the Vale who should be at full strength since they've sat out the last few wars.

I was a little bothered by the Brothers without Banners as well. Maybe they are under new leadership and moving from guerrilla force to more organized army and need a lot more supplies. I don't know. I was shocked Ian McShane was only a one episode character.

Lyanna Mormont was an enjoyable scene.

Will the Glovers resent having made a choice to not support the Starks? When Glover complained about his lands getting raided by the Ironborn I thought "why were you such an idiot for sending so many troops you left your lands unprotected?". But then again, it is The North and some of those people aren't too bright.

I think if Blackfish yields the castle the Tully's will go after him even if Jaime promises them safe passage. Every time I see a Tully soldier I think of the French soldiers in Monty Python's Holy Grail. I can see the Tully's getting their heads handed to them (literally) by either or both of Blackfish and Lannister armies. Although I would love a good siege battle. That castle looks great!

Agree with Doctor X… the message was for Littlefinger…

Nobody comments about the Queen "flower"… (smile)

She is playing a dangerous game… who support her if her grandmother left Kingslanding?… Cercei???…

Is she going to use the "sex" trick with Thommen?… I cannot lied with you because of the religion… so the religion is BAD!!…?

That castle cannot be taken with 8.000 Lannister and 3 or 4.000 Freys….

The same camp for the troops as the last time?… nobody remember the fire???

It's me or Jon Snow have lost a lot of "spirit"?…

And what about the lesbian discovery from the see Queen? (smile)… seems she really love her brother… Their move to Mereen is the best one they can do before their uncle finish his ships…

Amicalement
Armand

Did you get that they were the BW/oB? That didn't occur to me.

Pretty sure Sandor or Ian McShane said that's who they were, but I may be mistaken.

Don't forget "murdering any Frey they could get hold of".

There's that.

Nobody comments about the Queen "flower"…

Yeah, I knew she was playing the convert, but that was good to see.

I actually liked the episode, but share the same quibbles as above. I'm with you Tango in that Jon Snow resurrected as a wuss. You'd think a guy who came back from the dead would have a little more fire in the belly. He seems diminished.

Yes Lyanna Mormont was great.

Though she will be needing a husband in a few years – could be a perfect choice for Rickon.

Oh and the Hound is back and he is going to be out for blood.

Arya needed a life lesson and very likely will be saved by the actress she did not kill.

Going to be very interesting next few shows.

Oh and the look on Jon's face when Lyanna told him that they had 62 men, which is a far larger number than Ramsey's 20 Good Men.

Pretty sure Sandor or Ian McShane said that's who they were, but I may be mistaken.

I may well have missed it, too.

Though she will be needing a husband in a few years – could be a perfect choice for Rickon.

Assuming he comes out of it in one piece. The screenwriters never bothered to develop his character in the least. I've been long thinking he's just an expendable plot resource.

Arya needed a life lesson and very likely will be saved by the actress she did not kill.

That's a good point. And I do hope she learns from this one.

Silly that it just occured to me that the spiteful Waif blew off her boss's last order. Maybe Jaqen will fix her lil' red wagon this time.

He seems diminished.

I agree. That would, I suppose, be in keeping with how GRRM does resurrection: you come back, but you are less for it (see: Beric Dondarrion, Lady Stoneheart, Robert Strong).

Or it could be weak writing.

I just heard a crazy theory that Arya was actually the faceless man. The reason being that she chose him as her third victim way back when and he never delivered. Also, because Arya was acting really odd for someone who knew that the faceless men were after her- walking around with a lot of money, staring whistfully into the sunset, not waiting in the hole she was in hiding in with her sword out as she was in the last episode, not treating literally anyone as a potential assassin… Most importantly, she was using the opposite hand from what she used in previous episodes from her normal preferred hand.

Sounds crazy, but anything in this show is possible.

It was Sandor who stated that they were from the Brotherhood.

Sandor knew that they were going to be trouble and told Ian's character.

Ian should have known to have his people stay somewhere else for the night but no he became far to trusting and got hanged.

Assuming he comes out of it in one piece.

Yes there is that little issue but if he does survive then he is going to need a strong wife and she fits this bill.

I get the feeling that Margaery knows that something is going to go down re the High Sparrow which is why she wants her grandmother out of harm's way. Hence the rose drawing, it's a message that she hasn't bought into the whole "Faith" stuff.

The reason that I think that Sansa wrote to Littlefinger is that she knows she and Jon need more men. She already sent Brianne to the Blackfish but he won't be able to help her. My guess is that this season will end with the Stark army approaching Winterfell.

Santa wrote to Littlefinger?
To see if he was naughty or nice?

A girl needed to get the hell out of town.

Yara, so much yyyeeessss!!

Bronn is like "Isn't my contract to HBO up yet?"

Was awesome to see Ian McShane doing what he does so well.

What if Sansa wrote to Wyman Manderly? IIRC, someone's been cast for the role of the lord too fat to sit a horse…

Yeah, but I think the gist of the scene was her "giving in" by sending this message. I don't think that fills the bill.

He seems diminished.

Well at least in real life, a long recovery from being beaten to a pulp, falling several stories, and nearly succumbing to thirst and the elements will a lot out of you!

I'm glad the Hound stuck around, too. He's a good character. I just didn't see them going against the books on this. I was probably yapping about THAT when he mentioned The Brotherhood.

I say Sansa was writing to Littlefinger as mentioned above.

Grimm

Imho The Hound would be who closed Cercei fait…

I insist that Margarey plans have to be under the bed sheets with Thomen… that why she said to the Sparrow she has not any desire… so, when she began to "work" on Thomen… well… poor Sparrow!. (smile)

"Santa wrote to Littlefinger?
To see if he was naughty or nice?"

No, because he was desperate to be on the winner side, and she knows that… more … he owns her… and he didn't know yet how much Sansa have change…

What happened with the Red Witch?…

Amicalement
Armand

Santa wrote to Littlefinger?
To see if he was naughty or nice?

Man I hate autocorrect!

A girl suddenly getting dumb.

That's typical GoT, look at how Ned got offed, he finds this damaging secret about Cersei and then he tells her he knows! Jon walks into an ambush, the Prince of Dorne turns his back on a Sandsnake, it's as typical (and poor) a plot device as someone dropping their sword in a fight and someone else stabs their attacker in the back at the last second.

What happened with the Red Witch?…

I wondered this myself.

As for me I'm struck by how little loyalty the North has. Instead of rallying around Sansa and fighting for Rickon (who they would believe is Ned Stark's only living son) most of the Houses are like "yeah, we know Ramsay is horrible but what can you do?" And what of Ramsay, when last we saw him he was, after killing Osha, planning on marching on Castle Black. Did he? Is his force in the field?

If you were Jon and you discovered there was nothing on the other side but darkness, would you be real eager to die again? I think he had the right idea on going south to get warm.

Exactly.

Spoilers – Sansa's letter deciphered:

link

That's answers that. :)

Spoilers – Sansa's letter deciphered:

Unbelievable, I was right for once!

Me too!!! (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Seriously though…
Who else would Sansa be writing to?
Cersei?
Ramsey?

Or the blurred image on the screen could be a total red herring, and it's to Manderly.
One other thing. How did she get hold of the Stark seal?

Seriously though…
Who else would Sansa be writing to?
Cersei?
Ramsey?

Dramatically of course it only makes sense that she would call on two people for help. Littlefinger is the obvious choice, he's near enough to help, he offered to help, and he "owes" Sansa. The other dramatic option would be Tyrion but;

a)There is no indication that she knows where he is,
b)Wherever he is it's probably too far to help,
c)He has no troops.

Others she might have called on for help include of course;

a)The Hound except she has no idea where he is,
b)Arya, but again she has no idea where she is (although Brienne told her that she is alive).
c)SweetRobin, after all he is Lord of the Vale and her cousin.
d) Margaery or The Queen of Thorns, but this would be a real longshot.

But no, it's Petyr Baelish, which again makes the most sense dramatically and it brings him back into the picture. It also gives him a chance to start building his Kingdom, the "Queen in the North" will owe him, Jon, the Prince who was promise will as well, he'll have the Vale as well.

Or the blurred image on the screen could be a total red herring, and it's to Manderly.

With all due respect I don't get this whole "Manderly thing". I mean this is Sansa's "Help me Obi Wan you're my only hope" moment. The Manderleys, have they even actually appeared in the series? The Manderleys would be a visit, just like to Lyanna. Suddenly the Manderleys will be a thing, I don't buy it, not from the series, maybe from the books so that GRRM could write another 500 pages that don't really go anywhere.

One other thing. How did she get hold of the Stark seal?

From the prop master? Actually it's a pretty simple seal, I imagine that she could have easily had one made at Castle Black. After all now that she has determined that two marriages notwithstanding she is Sansa Stark I would expect her to acquire all that she needs in Westerosi society to declare that she is indeed Lady Stark.

BTW just as an aside, don't like Lyanna Mormont too much or the writers will kill her off.

Instead of rallying around Sansa and fighting for Rickon

You're right! When met with "we'd fight for the Starks, but you're just a bastard and you're just a dumb ol' girl!", they never effectively countered with the fact that Rickon was the genuine male successor.

You're right! When met with "we'd fight for the Starks, but you're just a bastard and you're just a dumb ol' girl!", they never effectively countered with the fact that Rickon was the genuine male successor

Yeah, the North may remember but in reality they're a bunch of cowards.

She can wrote to the House of Tyrell…

Amicalement
Armand

Who else would Sansa be writing to?

Her cousin

maybe from the books so that GRRM could write another 500 pages that don't really go anywhere.

Ain't that the truth!

Well it is going to get interesting for the next show.

Very interesting.