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Tango0130 May 2016 3:29 p.m. PST

Fine job!

picture

From here
coolminiornot.com/397757

Amicalement
Armand

Salvitas Inactive Member31 May 2016 3:17 a.m. PST

My eyes are on tears, I am sorry.
This miniature look like a Drag Queen.

The shoes are invented, the legs are very long…
The paint job is good but the miniature is a joke…

An old spanish TV serie, Curro Jimenez, can be a good starter for watch clothes from this time:
YouTube link

Tango0131 May 2016 10:37 a.m. PST

The sandalias are right my friend… they still are in used in many places of Spain…

Have you seen the size of the spanish people?… I lived there for a couple of years and many of them are short… with long legs… (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2016 9:14 a.m. PST

Agreed about the sandals and leg wear. Read Cronnin and Summerfield's book on the Early Spanish Army and you'd see the figure is correct, including for Juna period Patriots and for variations in uniform adopted in the field by the regular army.

Tango0101 Jun 2016 10:21 a.m. PST

Thanks my dear cousin!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Salvitas Inactive Member29 Sep 2016 3:00 p.m. PST

The average height has increased markedly in Spain.
But if it is true that at the time of the War of Independence it was low.

In my opinion, in that model the leg length is too long.
Besides footwear it does not seem right.
There are not male sandals with high heels.

I am Spanish. I am not tall and I have not a long legs…
There is not an special human in Spain, short with long legs…
I am from the South and may be could be a "special design on the North", but I never seen before this kind of sandals…only for women.

With a small research by google, I can show that:



basileus6630 Sep 2016 3:08 a.m. PST

Agreed with Salva that the proportions look wrong. I have the figure (Beneito Miniatures, a Spanish modelling company), though, and I think that it is an impression caused by the angle of the photograph. Particularly that the alpargatas have high heels. In the actual figure they look correct. There are more serious mistakes, however. For starters, the gun was very uncommon outside the regular units, and even there. Most local militias and partisans would have been armed with fowling guns for the earlier period, only in the later period -i.e. when the guerrillas were better organized and militarized- would have carried a mix of French Charlerois and British Brown Besses muskets.

Gazzola30 Sep 2016 3:36 a.m. PST

Tango01, Salvitas, basileus66

Good pic in the research sense, in that it has members discussing the reality of the period, in terms of dress code for the Spanish bandits/guerrillas.

Perhaps one of you could contact the owner to request information on what sources they employed, if any? Perhaps they have a source none of us are aware of, as yet?

basileus6630 Sep 2016 5:19 a.m. PST

Chema Beneito used Jose Marķa Bueno book for his research.

basileus6630 Sep 2016 8:38 a.m. PST

Problem with Bueno is that he used XIXth Century descriptions for the guerrillas, and those were influenced by the Romanticism. Guerrilleros should be, mostly, dressed in a mixture of Spanish and French uniforms, with the odd "partida" with Polish or even British headgear or the odd piece of cloth, if you want to go for a more "military" look. Civilians should be dressed with short pants -to the knee-, with or without socks, alpargatas, and tight short jackets. Headgear should be "sombreros" commonly made of straw or cloth, some top hats -not that common- with local variations.

Gazzola01 Oct 2016 2:38 a.m. PST

basileus66

Most of the images of Spanish footwear I have ever come across over the years, has displayed either a shoe or sandal type. However, there is an almost similar image in The Guerrilla Wars 1808-1814 by Miguel Angel Martin Mas. On page 21 there is an image of a painting depicting a drummer boy by Francesco Galofre. Same colour and straps but unlike the original image, there is no wooden soles or lumpy bits on the toe end.

basileus6601 Oct 2016 3:44 a.m. PST

I am not comenting on the footwear. It is correct and as I told Salva the apparent heel is just an effect of the angle of the shot.

Gazzola02 Oct 2016 3:31 a.m. PST

basileus66

I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you or anyone else. I'm just mentioning that I have an image which shows a very similar type footwear, but without the wooden toe bulge and heel.

However, in terms of the miniature shown, it may well be the camera angle, but even considering that, it does remarkably look like the heels are wedges?

Anyway, correct or not, it is still good to talk about the Spanish side of things.

basileus6602 Oct 2016 5:49 a.m. PST

Maybe, but I have the actual figure in my cabinet and it is just an optic effect of the photo. It happens, specially when the painter hasn't devoted as much time to paint the "alpargatas" as he has to the face or the shirt, for instance. That's why it looks like it has a wooden toe bulge. It should look as straw. Probably, that is what has confused you and others.

42flanker02 Oct 2016 2:50 p.m. PST

I have noticed a lot of girls in the south with short waists and long legs, and…. never mind. I'll get me chaqueta

Gazzola03 Oct 2016 6:05 a.m. PST

basileus66

Quite right. I have just stared at the image for a bit and I can see what you mean. It is the camera angle and there are no bulges. And you are also right that it does not look like straw, if it was meant to, but offers a 'wooden' effect, at least in the image anyway.

As you say, a shame the painter did not offer the same quality of work for the footwear, as he did for the rest of the miniature. Not sure what to make of the long legs though? Perhaps the miniature was based on a real human model with long legs? LOL

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