BelgianRay | 23 May 2016 1:05 p.m. PST |
Enlighten me : what is the difference ? I have no idea what a "sabot" means. |
Saber6 | 23 May 2016 1:19 p.m. PST |
boot. In game a base or tray that conforms to a different set of rules so you can use the same figures |
Extra Crispy | 23 May 2016 1:29 p.m. PST |
Essentially they are the same thing. A tray you can put your figures on so the footprint of the unit conforms to teh basing for the rules you are using (or just to make moving the troops easier). |
Schulein | 23 May 2016 1:46 p.m. PST |
A sabot base increases the footprint of a miniature or group of miniatures. It is a larger base with a hole or square hole for the miniature. For instance a figure on a 20mm*20mm base can be sabotted into a 40mm*40mm footprint. A movement tray takes several miniatures of often the same size and is used to move them together. For example 6 20mm*20mm bases in a 60mm * 40mm movement tray. A combination tray would be (in the same example) a 120mm*80mm tray with six 20mm*20mm square holes. |
Brian Smaller | 23 May 2016 2:36 p.m. PST |
My definitions – YMMV: Movement Tray – You can move the entire unit. link
Sabot base: Individual figures but still grouped into elements as a single base. link
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Martin Rapier | 23 May 2016 10:33 p.m. PST |
A tray, the figures/bases stand in it. A sabot, the individual bases/figures go into individually tailored slots. The sabot May be for multiple figures, or individual to increase the base size. I use neither. I make up expansion bases topped with steel paper and magnetic based figures. No idea what you call those. |
BelgianRay | 24 May 2016 1:28 p.m. PST |
Well, I've received an expert explanation. This is now all clear to me, for which all of you my thanks, every explanation here is very explicit. Thank uou also |
BelgianRay | 24 May 2016 1:32 p.m. PST |
Well, I've received an expert explanation. This is now all clear to me, for which all of you my thanks, every explanation here is very explicit. Thank you also Brian Smaller for very nice pictures and great painting. How did you get those movement trays together,that's what I am really interested in now. Can you elaborate, and I'm sure I'm not he only one, I'm pretty sure. |
Brian Smaller | 24 May 2016 2:35 p.m. PST |
The movement trays for the Bretonnian fantasy figures are simply constructed from balsa wood, sanded to give rounded edges and textured with small gravel/painted/flocked. The sabot bases are laser cut to my specifications by a local laser cutting service out of 3mm mdf. I add a base of 0.5mm card. Then textured and flocked etc. |
DHautpol | 25 May 2016 6:40 a.m. PST |
I would consider most of the above to be movement trays with individual figures or stands of figures placed on to large bases to speed up the initial movement phases. Whereas I've always regarded sabots as being bases designed allow figures based for one set of rules to conform to the base sizes needed for a different set of rules. |
CeruLucifus | 26 May 2016 9:40 a.m. PST |
A "sabot" originally was an inexpensive shoe made from a hollowed out piece of wood. Over time "sabots" became a reference to people that wear such shoes, i.e., poor people, and this meaning is the root of the word "sabotage" (interference or deliberate destruction perpetrated against the government by the wearers of sabots, i.e. poor people). In modern machinery, a sabot is a form or sleeve that adapts an item to fit a machine it wasn't originally shaped for, so the inner recess fits the item and the outer shape fits the machine. Thus the military usage of a sabot sleeve to fit a projectile into the breech of a larger caliber weapon. In miniature wargaming, a movement tray is a tray to hold multiple miniatures so they can be moved as a unit. Movement trays usually are open trays, flat with a lip on some or all sides. If the miniatures have similar square or rectangular bases, they typically fit together evenly in an open tray and move without rattling or changing orientation, maintaining a look of military uniformity (and not falling over). However if the miniatures have round or irregular bases, you do get rattling, change of orientation, and even falling. And you have the same issue with square / rectangular bases if you are arranging the miniatures with gaps, such as to portray skirmishers or open order. And the unfilled voids can look unpleasing to the eye. A sabot movement tray is thicker than an open tray and has cutouts to fit the miniature bases. This is useful for correcting the issues above. |