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repaint20 May 2016 4:15 a.m. PST

Most of the OB indicate that Peiper attached to his Kampfgruppe a battalion of the 9th Fallschirmajer during the Battle of the Bulge.

Was it a full battalion, a couple of depleted companies?

thanks, that would be for an Ardennes scenario.

Martin Rapier20 May 2016 10:55 a.m. PST

I/9FJR, 3rd FJ Div was attached for the initial breakthrough but iirc rapidly left behind thereafter.

They weren't exactly top notch troops.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2016 8:18 a.m. PST

Aren't they the ones that got held up a single I&R platoon for a day? To whit:

link

Fred Cartwright21 May 2016 1:26 p.m. PST

Really Martin, I had them down as elites! :-) some them made it all the way to Stoumont. There are pictures of a group of FJ setting up an MG on the German Kreigsberichter footage of the battle.

repaint21 May 2016 7:33 p.m. PST

Thanks for the link Mserafin, it was useful to research more.

A source indicates that for their first action against the US platoon the Fallschirmjager battalion losses were: 92 casualties ( 16 killed, 63 wounded, 13 missing ). [extract on internet, so no reference]

Some fragment of text from a book on google book search (source: Battle of the Bulge, Vol. 3: The 3rd Fallschirmjager Division in Action) indicate that the battalion is made at least from company 1,2,3.
Same book indicates that the division was at 75% of authorized strength

from: feldgrau.com/genfall.html

"Fallschirmjaeger Regiment: three battalions (853 men each). each Battalion had three rifle companies (170 men each) and a machine-gun Company (8 heavy machine-guns, four 81MM mortars and two 75MM light (recoilless) guns (205 men). The Regiment also had an anti-tank Company (three towed 75MM anti-tank guns and a large number of infantry anti-tank weapons – 186 men) and a mortar Company (nine – twelve 120MM mortars – 163 men). regimental strength was 3,206 men."

If we consider only the riffle companies, that would be around 510 men. Possibly at 75% capacity or 382 men (however, we might think that the rifle companies had more men as they are the core of the fighting force in the battalion)

Putting all this together with an interview with Peiper himself that I found online:

link

"I was told then to drive to Lanzerath, where I should meet elements of the parachute regiment of 3 Fallschirmjäger Division. This regiment had attempted to attack through the woods west of Lanzerath towards Honsfeld and had been repelled three times. I received orders to take over this regiment and to attack."

[…]"At this point I became very angry and ordered the parachute regiment to give me one battalion, and I would lead the breakthrough."

"on 19 December 1944, we attacked Stoumont with one battalion of armored infantry and one company of parachutists"

It is still not entirely clear which battalion attacked even though it is commonly accepted it was the third. However, reading testimonies, it would appear that other companies (not from the 3rd?) where participating to the attack in Lanzerath – (will read the book when it arrives).


Under many different assumptions:
3 companies (between 380-500 men int total)
losses at Lanzerath: 92 (but then why take a battalion that sustained between 18 to 29% losses ?!?). Unit would be largely ineffective, unless several battalions or a different one conducted the attack at Lanzerath.

If I had to eyeball it, I would say 2 companies at 140 men each were attached to the Kampfgruppe.

Do not forget they had no vehicles:
"About half to three-quarters of an hour, allowing the parachute elements to close up. Most of them rode up on the rear tanks of my column."

The rear tanks were mainly Tiger IIs. Only twenty or so if memory serves were operational. 12 men per tank as an estimate make 240 men.

But it is not that simple. Just rough figures, that could still vary wildly.

For the sake of a brigade level game, I could simply attach a couple of FJ companies.

Fred Cartwright22 May 2016 2:48 a.m. PST

There are the famous pictures of Tiger 222 with its load of FJ. I didn't think there were any Tigers present for the initial attack on Stoumont so at least some rode up on other vehicles. 222 never made it to Stoumont. I'm not near my books, but will check where it ended up later.

Martin Rapier22 May 2016 8:57 a.m. PST

"Really Martin, I had them down as elites! "

Average at best Fred, I never know when you are pulling my leg:)

Fred Cartwright22 May 2016 12:18 p.m. PST

222 made it to Stavelot. Pictures show it with a lot of FJ on board. Possibly as many as 20. Tiger II has a very roomy deck.

Fred Cartwright22 May 2016 2:06 p.m. PST

Martin neither 3rd or 5th FJD were up to much by that stage of the war, but possibly not the worst either. Best German division was probably 26th VGD. They had a solid core of veterans when pulled out of the eastern front, had been rebuilt with ex Kreigsmarine and Luftwaffe personnel and had 3 months on a quiet front to integrate the replacements and complete training. A luxury few German divisions enjoyed in 1944. 12th and 18th VGD's seemed to have performed quite well too.

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