"Ottoman Sipahis c. 1700" Topic
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Druzhina | 11 May 2016 10:05 p.m. PST |
In this modern plate:
the "Spahis" are based on:
and:
These are from Plates dated 1805 from an album labelled: Vorstellung der vorzuglichsten Gattungen des Türckischen Militairs und ihrer Officiere in The Vinkhuijzen collection of military uniforms, NYPL Although two of these plates are copied from: The Great Lord in ceremonial dress for the day of Beiram, after Jean-Baptiste Vanmour (Van Mour), 1671-1737 and Sadrazam, the Grand Vizier, in Ceremonial Dress and Turban, after Vanmour which date to circa 1699-1708, there is nothing to indicate that others date to anything other than 1805.
This uncropped version has a caption that indicates it is a Deli (scout), so not a sipahi.
1805 is also marked on the Cavalry from Baghdad. For Ottoman Sipahis that are c. 1700 see: Sipahi or Turkish Cavalryman after Jean-Baptiste Vanmour (Van Mour), 1699 to 1708 A battle between the Ottoman and Hungarian armies, Hamse (quintet) of the Ottoman Turkish poet and scholar 'Ata'ullah bin Yahyá 'Ata'i, copied and illustrated by Heyrullah Heyri Çavuszade in 1721AD Druzhina Illustrations of Ottoman Costume & Soldiers[/u |
KTravlos | 12 May 2016 2:00 a.m. PST |
Oh my Druzhina. I would not want to be in a room where Flaherty and you meet. On the other hand perhaps the fireworks would be worth seeing. Good catch though. |
zippyfusenet | 12 May 2016 4:45 a.m. PST |
Interesting to see both riders armed with bows as late as 1805. From the picture captions, the first man is a delli from the Aleppo garrison, while the second man is a 'cavalryman' from Baghdad. He could be a timariot spahi, or he could be some lord's household retainer (a mamluke?) or a well equipped clan militiaman. Neither man may be typical of the Balkan provinces. |
Druzhina | 12 May 2016 9:14 p.m. PST |
Unfortunately Vinkhuijzen lost any further information by cutting the pictures out of the books. These 2 may be a little or a lot before the presumed publication date of 1805. Relying on Vinkhuijzen's pictures alone, without his source being identified, is not a good idea. Ignoring what information he does give … Druzhina Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers |
evilgong | 12 May 2016 11:20 p.m. PST |
I referenced these 1805 pics in my Napoleonic Persian book's section on enemies. I speculated that the figs looked earlier than the date quoted or perhaps Baghdad was a backwater with military equipment not up to the latest fashion. One thing I found was how often pics were recycled /copied and sourcing back to the original was not easy. David F Brown |
Druzhina | 13 May 2016 9:57 p.m. PST |
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Druzhina | 14 May 2016 9:48 p.m. PST |
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GurKhan | 15 Aug 2016 5:33 a.m. PST |
Doesn't the "Arabian janissary" link look awfully like the Mamluk footsoldier in link ? Or is it just me? |
zippyfusenet | 15 Aug 2016 1:09 p.m. PST |
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Druzhina | 16 Aug 2016 3:39 p.m. PST |
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