Irish Marine | 11 May 2016 7:50 a.m. PST |
I posted a message on the Fire&Fury forum site a while ago but I haven't received a reply yet, so maybe some of the guys just are not checking the site but are checking this one. I have built a West German Panzer Grenadier Battalion plus Marders, Leopards and M-113's all great figures from QRF. BattleFront uses cards for the units and the West German cards seem weaker then the Soviet and East German cards, if anyone from Fire&Fury is reading this can you tell me if the cards are "AS IS" or can you fix them because they seem weak and I didn't think the West Germans were that bad during the Cold War. Thanks. |
Saber6 | 11 May 2016 9:42 a.m. PST |
I'd feel free to adjust to my tastes. These are all "prototype" cards. I'd not do a cross the board change, but adding 1 or subtracting 1 here and there should not be an issue |
Jemima Fawr | 11 May 2016 11:06 a.m. PST |
Hi Irish, Sorry mate, I've just had no time to devote to the project of late. I'd be very grateful if you coud send me a list of suggested changes and I'll make every effort to review them and pass them on to Jim for amendment. My sincere apologies for missing your posts. I've finally finished assembling West German, Soviet and Brtiish battlegroups, so I'm hoping to finally have some games soon and should then be back 'with it'. |
GeoffQRF | 11 May 2016 11:21 a.m. PST |
You'd better send me a list of what you are missing JF, so I can add them ;-) |
Irish Marine | 11 May 2016 11:29 a.m. PST |
Ok I will dude thanks, I understand, I'm in the process of packing up my entire house for a move. |
Mako11 | 11 May 2016 11:51 a.m. PST |
For the record, I'm interested in this little project as well. |
Irish Marine | 11 May 2016 12:00 p.m. PST |
Mako 11, Battlefront WW2 modified rules work very well. My group uses it for Arab Israeli war (1967), Vietnam, and now we getting ready for the Cold War 1985. We are also down road looking to do India and Pakistan in some of their wars. Good set of rules not just for WW2. I wish the owners would pay more attention to moderns than Civil War. |
GeoffQRF | 11 May 2016 2:31 p.m. PST |
So presumably you need the WW2 rules, and Marks modern variant from the website? |
Cold Steel | 11 May 2016 4:23 p.m. PST |
Geoff, that is correct. I plan on running a few games once we get settled into a new house, whenever that might be. |
Saber6 | 11 May 2016 6:51 p.m. PST |
I ran the Favorite scenario (from First Clash) that was post5ed on the site. Indeed the rules work well. |
Jemima Fawr | 11 May 2016 11:45 p.m. PST |
Wow, thanks for the votes of confidence… I thought it was just me and Irish… :) Geoff, it was just one pack's-worth each of modern British 81mm mortar bipods and GPMGs (the gun itself). |
GeoffQRF | 12 May 2016 8:37 a.m. PST |
No, no, I meant vehicles (or figures) that are on your lists, but we don't (yet) make… |
Jemima Fawr | 12 May 2016 10:16 a.m. PST |
Ah right! :) Give Chas a poke for me anyway… :) To be honest, you've got the British, West Germans and Soviets very well covered, so most of the remaining items are fairly minor (Leopard variants excepted). For the West Germans: M48A2GA2 Patton Leopard 1A1/1A2 Leopard 1A1A1/1A2A1 Leopard 1A5 Marder 1A3 Leopard Pionierpanzer (same as ARV, except ladder on crane arm) Biber Bridgelayer (very widely used) M48 Bridgelayer (very widely used) Raketenjagdpanzer 1 Raketenjagdpanzer 2 Iltis or Munga field cars would be handy. M113G (you've already got this on the way?) M113G Artillery OP Variant (very different superstructure) FOO teams Combat engineers Post War MILAN teams Redeye SAM teams KraKa KraKa MK 20 KraKa TOW KraKa MILAN Fuchs PARA radar recce SPz Kz 91-2 radar recce vehicle (81mm mortar carrier with radar antenna where the mortar should be) FK-20 20mm SA Gun (very widely used) FK-20-2 Twin 20mm AA Gun (very widely used, including Falklands) Bofors L70 40mm AA Gun (very widely used) Combat engineers For the British: Combat engineers Bv-202 Bv-206 Oerlikon GDF-002 Twin 35mm AA Gun (I actually want these for the Argentines in the Falklands – used by a lot of countries, including the UK after we nicked them) Soviet/Warpac: OT-64/SKOT variants Combat engineers East German & other Warpac infantry Naval infantry FOO teams SPG-9 73mm Recoilless Rifle teams AT-7 'Saxhorn' teams MTLBu (easy conversion from your 1V18) |
Jemima Fawr | 12 May 2016 10:30 a.m. PST |
The current problem with a lot of other NATO and Warpac nations that there is a lack of key items needed to create a basic battlegroup. A lot of them can be converted fairly easily, but a few are very sticky modelling projects. Canada: Infantry – essential Grizzly & Cougar would be nice to have Norway: Infantry – we can make do with West Germans NM-135 – fairly essential Leopard 1A1 – fairly essential M48A5 – do you do that one yet? Belgium: Infantry – essential Leopard 1A1 – essential More YPR-765 variants (.50 Cal, Command) – essential M113 MILAN Carrier – handy Towed M167 Vulcan AA – essential, as it was a battalion-level weapon Netherlands: Infantry – essential Leopard 1A1 – essential YP-408 – essential (I know you've got that coming out) YP-408 TOW – very useful to have More YPR-765 variants (.50 Cal, Command & ITV) – essential Dutch M113 C&V with 25mm cannon – essential Denmark: Infantry – we can make do with West Germans M41 DK1 – handy for the late 80s Centurion DK1 – fairly easy conversion |
Irish Marine | 12 May 2016 10:35 a.m. PST |
Ok, so briefly going through a few cards; The Panzer-Grenadier Card CWWG-27, Fallschimjager Card CWWG-29, MG-3 LMG Card CWWG-36, Jager Card CWWG-59, and Gebirgsjager Card CWWG-61 are all off by one or two points. The MG-3 LMG card is missing ranges and shows poor performance which I don't understand because I believe the MG-42 card from the WW2 stats is better and it's basically the same weapon. The Infantry cards are poorer then the Warsaw Pact and Soviets cards and the West German rifle squads were equipped with the G-3 Battle Rifle which fired the 7.62mm NATO round as opposed to the 7.62x39 Ak-47 round or the 5.45mm AK-74 round giving greater range then the Soviets, or were the West Germans lack luster troops and that's what I'm not understanding. |
Jemima Fawr | 12 May 2016 11:00 a.m. PST |
Cheers Irish, I'll get to editing later this evening and let you know when it's done. Cheers, Mark |
Irish Marine | 12 May 2016 11:34 a.m. PST |
Great, I haven't looked at the armor, you might want to give it a peak. |
GeoffQRF | 12 May 2016 11:51 a.m. PST |
Leo 1A1 turret done. Leo 1A5 turret just about to go back to Chas along with PBV-302C. BV202 done. I'll take a look at some of those modification items. |
Jemima Fawr | 12 May 2016 1:17 p.m. PST |
Cheers Geoff, For the YPR-765/AIFV, you've already got the 25mm variant, so the other types won't involve much conversion work. Swap the turret with an M113 ACAV cupola for the .50 version, or with an ordinary M113 cupola for the command & mortar tractor versions, or with an M901 ITV 'hammerhead' for the PRAT version. The Dutch had either all-25mm or all-.50 Cal units, but the Belgians had mixed platoons of 25mm & .50 Cal, so the .50 Cal variant is essential for the Belgians. I forgot the M75 APC for the Belgians – used right through the 80s by Belgian engineers and also handy for earlier decades and other countries. Perhaps also the alternative 'bar' radar array to turn a Flakpanzer Gepard into a PRTL? I also forgot the French towed 120mm mortar (MO-120-RT) that was used by every man and his dog. French: 20mm 53T2 Tarasque AA gun AMX-13 Poseur de Pont (bridgelayer) AMX-13 DCA Twin 30mm AA Tank In fact, as we've discussed before, light non-Soviet AA guns of all shapes and size would be VERY useful indeed, as they're very widespread. Especially the ones mentioned above. |
Jemima Fawr | 12 May 2016 1:19 p.m. PST |
Oh and NM-116 for the Norwegians – Chaffee with 90mm. |
GeoffQRF | 13 May 2016 2:34 a.m. PST |
Ok, noted the list. Some of those I should be able to add quite quickly. M113G Artillery Ob – is that the BeobPzArt (Beobachtungspanzer Artillerie)?
I need to make a minor correction to the DANA, then you can have that… |
Jemima Fawr | 13 May 2016 5:31 a.m. PST |
That's the fella. Yeah, there's a surprising number of vehicles that could be done with minimal tweaking to existing models. Oh and for the French, simply use your WW2 Jeep (for the identical Hotchkiss M201 VLTT) and add a 1980s French crew, including MILAN launcher. On the infantry side of things, as discussed before, a 'Generic NATO' range of chaps with SLRs, Uzis, FN MAG and mesh-covered US helmets would do for Belgians, Dutch and a number of other armies worldwide. Irritatingly however, the Dutch and Belgians used different support weapons: Dutch: TOW, Dragon, 66mm LAW, 84mm CG, 60mm mortar, 81mm mortar & towed 120mm mortar (this also mostly fits the Luxembourg contingent). Belgians: MILAN, Blindicide, 81mm mortar & 107mm mortar. |
GeoffQRF | 13 May 2016 6:06 a.m. PST |
On the infantry side of things, as discussed before, a 'Generic NATO' range of chaps with SLRs, Uzis, FN MAG and mesh-covered US helmets would do for Belgians, Dutch and a number of other armies worldwide. Do they use a consistent webbing? |
GeoffQRF | 15 May 2016 7:15 a.m. PST |
Dutch helmets: link I am told the M53 is the correct one for the period |
Jemima Fawr | 15 May 2016 11:38 a.m. PST |
I've no idea re webbing, though the (fuzzy) photos I've seen show ammo pouches, unlike Canadian webbing of the period. Both Belgian and Dutch armies used US M1 helmet clones and invariably covered them with mesh scrim, whereas the Canadians used US camouflage covers. |
GeoffQRF | 15 May 2016 12:23 p.m. PST |
I have a former Dutch army contact who is going to send me photos of his. Yes, the M53 appears to be an M1 clone |
Jemima Fawr | 16 May 2016 1:36 a.m. PST |
I've got Belgian and Netherlands Army contacts, so I'll see what they say and see if they have any photos showing webbing equipment. |
Rooboy | 07 Sep 2016 2:17 a.m. PST |
Any news on the M113G Artillery Ob – AKA the BeobPzArt (Beobachtungspanzer Artillerie)? |