dragon6 | 02 May 2016 9:31 p.m. PST |
Several years ago I asked here and Simple Green was suggested. I found it very good. Now I find I need to again remove paint. I would go with Simple Green but I've read, here on TMP, that the manufacturer had changed the product and it is no longer as good. That might be true but I thought I would ask what the collective wisdom of TMP is on this subject |
Extra Crispy | 02 May 2016 9:36 p.m. PST |
Looking for reading on how big an area artillery effects. If a grunt in Vietnam calls in a battery of 105s how big an area does it cover? What about a Soviet regiment? Is there a resource that would give these kinds of data? I know it varies by period, situation, quantity, etc. etc. Looking for a resource especially for Vietnam. |
Callsign 21 | 02 May 2016 11:38 p.m. PST |
A 6 gun 105 bty is about 150*150m. 18 gun regt about 250*250m. Soviet arty is roghly comparable. |
Martin Rapier | 02 May 2016 11:49 p.m. PST |
It depends on the dispersion of aiming points and the rate of fire, but somewhere around 150 to 200 yards square for single firing battery of field artillery using mid twentieth century technology. A 25pdr regiment firing a linear concentration had a beaten zone of 525 yards macros and kitchen 150 yards deep. Gunners have charts and tables for this sort of thing, the Sovs in particular were very fond of specifying the weight of fire of various types of rounds to neutralize or destroy particular types of target. Calling in a battery on a target of opportunity is not the same thing as an artillery barrage, the latter is usually extensively pre planned and involves lots of guns and ammo. |
Mick the Metalsmith | 03 May 2016 5:33 a.m. PST |
Sheafsat a battery level are not square but more often linear. Converged sheafs i.e. All guns are individually aimed at a single point) would be circular. |
Extra Crispy | 03 May 2016 5:48 a.m. PST |
Thanks just what I wanted to know. I know it's sort of a "how long is a piece of string" question but I needed some benchmarks. I'm working on some rules and am using about a 50m circle for calling in a battery on the fly. But was wondering about serious, pre-planned batrrages. |
Dn Jackson | 03 May 2016 7:01 a.m. PST |
I was in FDC in the 80s-90s. Even during Desert Storm, when we had computers to assist with firing, most missions were done with a target point and the guns fired in a linear pattern. All set with the same deflection and elevation. If we took the time we could land them in a circle, along a road, on a single point, using high angle mixed with low angle so more rounds hit at once, etc. but on the fly it was always a linear pattern. |
Extra Crispy | 03 May 2016 7:24 a.m. PST |
That raises another question…for on the fly fire, with, say, a platoon calling in a battery, could they dictate/request a specific shape/pattern to the fire? |
Rudysnelson | 03 May 2016 8:19 a.m. PST |
As Mr Jackson indicates, my scouts called in both artillery and mortar fire on a single RP which menat the level of intensity for that location was severe. We could spread our mortars to provide smoke for a crossing. For a battalion level crossing of a lake by swimming, different batteries used different RPs. This was also how the largest linear bombardment was fired that I ever saw. It was a live fire exercise conducted for President Carter at Fort Hood in 1978 ( IIRC). The artillery used several reference points in their barrage. My scouts used copperheads for point attacks and the Warthogs flew in after the artillery let up. Not much left for the tanks to shoot at. LOL! |
UshCha2 | 03 May 2016 10:05 a.m. PST |
As stated before GPS aiming typicaly a battery was set out at 90 degrees to the target 20 to 50 yds apart. This was effectively the to width of the hit. It would be much longer than that and the danger zone would be some 200 yds in front and beyond the target depending on the weapon and its range. How many rounds would be dictated by the nature of a target. less rounds for moving in open and more if in fighting position. Note if shooting at targets in a fighting position you use ammo up at a frightening rate. Even more so if in a jungle. The US manual is helpful link |
TheWarStoreSweetie | 03 May 2016 10:46 a.m. PST |
I think the bug has struck again. To the OP-- I now use an inexpensive jewelry cleaner and 90% first aid grade rubbing alcohol in the cleaner. It gets into all the cracks and crevices. The alcohol dries quickly and I usually don't have left over gunk. The vibrations of the clean can dissolve glue so things may fall apart. I also have not had chemical reactions and have used this with all kinds of metals, plastics and resins. |
Jemima Fawr | 03 May 2016 10:57 a.m. PST |
Everything you need to know about British & Commonwealth artillery, including barrage beaten zone sizes, can be found here: nigelef.tripod.com |
emckinney | 03 May 2016 12:04 p.m. PST |
Do keep in mind that 155s throw big fragments a long, long way. |
UshCha | 03 May 2016 11:13 p.m. PST |
emckinney, One of the issues is that maufactures quote the distance from an impact a Fragment is leathal. This is not a lie. However it is somewhat of an economy of truth. While the frament is leathal, the odds of being hit by one are very low so as an effect it is not a usefull guide for a wargamer. There is a very useful us Field manual (cant't think of the number) that for a neutralisation give the effective area of blast for various weapons. Its not that large. Its why proof against 155mm fragments at 30m makes an AFV effectively artillery proof, for which it needs very little armour e.g that om an M113). Beyond that point the potentialy small losses are an acceptable risk. |