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tberry740330 Apr 2016 8:32 a.m. PST

Netflix latest series is a spin-off of the Punisher character introduced in their Daredevil series.

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Pictors Studio30 Apr 2016 8:54 a.m. PST

When I was reading comics in the 90s they ended up with 3 monthly Punisher books. He just isn't that interesting of a character. He is very good as an anti-hero appearing in other character's stories, specifically like Daredevil and Spider man.

And he can work on his own. I think with the rising crime rates from the 70s to 90s you had some call for vigilanteism of his level. That was something that drove his popularity and made it inevitable that he would get his own book after the mini series, which was very good.

The stories got stale pretty quick and all kind of nonsense went on in them by and by.

Now there is less crime, much less. You'd almost have to go out of your way to get mugged in New York these days it seems.

Heck in 2012 I think Lower Manhattan had the same number of murders as Ligonier, PA.

I know that the series is set in a different world and that the situation is different after the "incident" but that doesn't affect how much the viewer is desirous to see the different characters. I kind of wonder if it isn't one of the reasons that comic sales have plummeted since the 90s despite the phenomenal success of the comic book movies.

The reader just isn't as plugged in to the danger of crime at their level. Going into cities isn't as dangerous as it used to be. It is hardly dangerous at all.

Especially Manhattan. I know there are still places that are bad in NYC but nothing like it used to be and 2015 was one of the safest years in the city's modern history.

That being said they do have something with Daredevil. The Punisher's run in the 2nd season was great too. They did a much better job with his character than anyone else has on film to date.

So I'm looking forward to it. I knew nothing about Jessica Jones going into that and that ended up being excellent. Marvel has had some slightly not great things in the movie department but almost all of them have been very good at least.

Mardaddy30 Apr 2016 9:01 a.m. PST

Pictor, speak for New York, crime is up in California (won't go into the reason – state politics.) But granted, the series is in NYC.

Regarding Punisher and Daredevil; I was never a comic-book guy, so I do not have prejudgments on what I envision the characters to be. I like both the characters as Netflix has portrayed them so far and I'd give Punisher a try.

I even overlooked the holes in his Netflix-version backstory (being a retired Marine myself.)

It is all escapism anyways.

Lucius30 Apr 2016 12:06 p.m. PST

I never cared for Daredevil as a kid, but the Netflix series has been the best superhero series that I've ever seen.

I'll give The Punisher a chance(although I'll always think of Spider-Man having the love/hate relationship with The Punisher, not Daredevil, as it was original comic book).

Pictors Studio30 Apr 2016 8:21 p.m. PST

Even in California, while places like San Fran are experiencing a resurgence in crime in the last year, crime is down since the 90s.

Murder rates in 2010-2015 are about half what they were in 1990-1995. So are most other categories of crime.

The Punisher always seemed a better match up with Daredevil than with Spider man. For one thing he was just a guy and Spider man could just clobber him in most cases. Daredevil was a much more even fight.

For another their methods clashed so much more. While Parker had the belief that you shouldn't run around killing people he didn't have the hard wired trust in the system that Daredevil, as a lawyer, had. So the conflict between the two characters was fought on a philosophical as well as physical level.

GhostofRebeccaBlack01 May 2016 9:16 a.m. PST

Wonder if they will Ennis it?

Mardaddy01 May 2016 11:20 a.m. PST

Pictor,

As mentioned – politics. And I am not just talking violent crimes – I concede those are down because of our citizens passing three strikes in mid-1994 (could not count on the State Legislature to do it…)

Since then, though, changing the definitions and "trackable" stats over the years to bump the perceived effectiveness of elected bodies.

Formerly felony jailable property crimes now misdemeanors, that skews the comparative statistics because the "high rate" years counted those crimes that are no longer counted.

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