"My Apologies to All" Topic

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I believe Weasel's point being the most cogent, would prefer to see a discussion about point A what help/funding requests are appropriate and which are not, and who should decide who gets to make such requests membership, viewers, the owner and/or advertisers on this site? Any other discussion usually just does not reflect well on the membership.

Instead of Bill saying 'I know its controversial but I've made the call it's ok' he seems to be twisting things and accusing and going on the attack.

I'm sorry if you think I'm attacking anyone, or twisting the facts. Perhaps if you could be more specific, I could address your concerns.

The whole thing has been blown way out of proportion so i don't think 'he said she said' will help.

In general I'm referring to deleting the original topic then starting a new one and referencing the original which people can no longer read to make their own minds up.
Deleting it was a good idea if this one had never appeared.

In general I'm referring to deleting the original topic then starting a new one and referencing the original which people can no longer read to make their own minds up.
Deleting it was a good idea if this one had never appeared.

Well, Editor Julia removed the original topic because she felt it was offending people, then started this topic to apologize. Do you find fault with her for that?

No Bill.

All I'd like to ask once more as someone who advertises here is please keep this site about miniatures/wargaming and news on those topics.

Wow Bill, you just HATE us TMPers. You will just not let this thing go. I sure wish you were as passionate about updating the technology of this website.

Julia removed the original topic because she felt it was offending people

You are twisting it again. Nobody said they were offended by it. Lots of people told you that this was not an appropriate place, because it's a miniatures page.

David Manley

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Good grief! The Miniatures Page! Says it all ready. Not much need for further discussion, unless of course there is some other agenda to be promoted.

All I'd like to ask once more as someone who advertises here is please keep this site about miniatures/wargaming and news on those topics.

Our membership has voted, again and again, in favor of this website being about wargaming and other topics wargamers want to talk about. That's why we have TMP Plus, for example, with boards for science and sports and other subjects, and our sister political site, The Blue Fez.

Wow Bill, you just HATE us TMPers. You will just not let this thing go.

I'm sorry if my answering someone else's question offends you.

Julia iworks here and personal solicitations are fine. Anyone who objects doesn't have to read it. Scroll on past and shut up.

You are twisting it again. Nobody said they were offended by it. Lots of people told you that this was not an appropriate place, because it's a miniatures page.

Excuse me if my choice of words was not adequate. Julia said that she was sorry about causing a "big issue" among the membership, so I believe she perceived that some people were offended by her request.

And again you fail to understand that it was not the topic that was not appropriate, but that the miniatures page was not an appropriate forum for such a request. I saw no suggestions or indications that anyone was offended. This is your perception of what you think someone else perceived that other people might have felt…

However QRF will be withdrawing our banner advert with immediate effect as we feel the site is losing its miniatures focus (and in part due to the implications made against me and the company yesterday, and suggestions that my business partner had been consulted which, however much it was meant as a joke, was a falsehood and sought to undermine me personally). We will consider the supporting membership when it comes up for renewal. To be clear, this is not because of the post or the topic, but the way it was handled.

I will, however, remain an active member of the miniatures community here, including participating in discussions and the submission of new releases.

I am still wading through the messages and emails of support, but if anybody wishes to discuss this with me please feel free to email me.

Our membership has voted, again and again, in favor of this website being about wargaming and other topics wargamers want to talk about. That's why we have TMP Plus, for example, with boards for science and sports and other subjects, and our sister political site, The Blue Fez.

Duly noted. Then the fault lies with me for misunderstanding the purpose and focus of your site.

Duly noted. Then the fault lies with me for misunderstanding the purpose and focus of your site.

We respond to what the wargaming community wants.

I did not say my sponsorship could be removed, merely that the banner advert was to be withdrawn.

QRF will be withdrawing our banner advert… We will consider the supporting membership when it comes up for renewal

Ok let's move on now. Bill I love TMP. Geoff has some fantastic minis and are a good value. Julia, good luck to you with your future.

And again you fail to understand that it was not the topic that was not appropriate, but that the miniatures page was not an appropriate forum for such a request.

I'm sorry you feel that such a message was inappropriate. As I have said, I had no objection to it, and similar messages have been made in the past without any objection or complaint.

However QRF will be withdrawing our banner advert with immediate effect…

Taken care of.

I did not say my sponsorship could be removed…

Sponsoring Membership is only for advertisers, Geoff.

Sponsoring Membership is only for advertisers, Geoff.

In that case can the existing remainder of the sponsoring account be converted to supporting please.

This is done for the support of community members.

In that case can the existing remainder of the sponsoring account be converted to supporting please.

There is no remainder. This was a free benefit of being an advertiser.

In order to avoid confusion, disappointment and further threads such as this, perhaps TMP should be renamed TMMP – as in The Mostly Miniatures Page?

It's pitifully easy to avoid the non-miniatures content on this page. If you're seeing a lot of it, it's probably your own fault.

I would have never known any of this was going on if someone in my club hadn't shared the thread on our Facebook page.

If this had appeared on the Plus boards to begin with, would it have been an issue?

Guy, suggest you press the button marked "irony detector"……..

Julia is a gaming community member, she played some good games at last years bayou wars, gender trans surgery can be life saving if you consider how the lgbt community is more likely to suffer suicide.

The request is no different then putting a jar by the register asking for donations for kid with leukemia. Anyone with a problem with an employee of Bill and a member of the community soliciting, is really being cold

Goonfighter, my point is that I *chose* to come stare at the train wreck and I'm not complaining about it. I'm afraid that looking down the list of thread titles in TMP Talk I don't see many that look miniatures-related which explains why I rarely, if ever visit TMP talk.

And that is what brought me to this travesty of a thread, also, Guy. So we seem to be in agreement. To be honest, I go to LAF for actual wargaming and really only look at TMP to see what the latest furore is over.

"Anyone with a problem with an employee of Bill and a member of the community soliciting, is really being cold"

I don't think so. It seems like begging, online begging, but begging none the less. I'd rather not see it on here about anything including a kid with leukemia. I see enough beggars in the real world.

"I don't think so. It seems like begging, online begging, but begging none the less. I'd rather not see it on here about anything including a kid with leukemia. I see enough beggars in the real world."

Really-?

Your level of compassion is overwhelming…

Royal Liz. Just scroll past and yo u won't see it.

One point I would make is that there was nothing in the original topic title or its location on the TMP Talk board to suggest it was a request for funding

Personally I looked at it to find out what the request was and only returned to the TMP Talk board later in the day, seeing lots of comments I had a second look and it was the inevitable train wreck I was expecting.

What does that matter? Plenty of posts with bad titles, click once and hit the back button. Reasonable to presume this takes no. More then a second or two. Moaning about the appropriateness wastes far more time.

Well claiming people should have just scrolled past it, since nobody knew what an editor wanted is a strange position to take…..personally I just rolled my eyes at the thought of the inevitable train wreck that was bound to follow and closed the topic.

Some people felt the need to point out this is a strange place to try to raise funds for cosmetic surgery and some felt the need to attack people for that position.

I felt, and still do that this a strange place to raise this and its the first time since I joined TMP I've ever seen such a topic…..but its Bill's decision and hopefully the usefullness of this website isn't further diminished by this.

Hey look, it's a guy in a Gorilla Suit! Where did he come from? That's bananas…

"Really-?

Your level of compassion is overwhelming…"

Really. There are plenty of other places for that sort of thing. Not here. You just lost a potential customer.

"There are plenty of other places for that sort of thing. Not here." 

Why, because you say so-?

Your comparison of what was asked for to online begging is nonsensical.

"You just lost a potential customer."

Because I disagreed with both your post and it's tone – I've lost nothing.

Really. There are plenty of other places for that sort of thing. Not here

Wouldn't it be better to ask your friends, rather than strangers? Many people here are friends of Editor Julia.

You just lost a potential customer.

Because I let one of my workers ask for help, you won't become a Supporting Member of TMP? That seems disproportionate.

Maybe she will clarify.

Give us Barabbas! They all shouted.

Bill: I'm fairly sure she was talking to me; not referring to a membership on TMP.

I sent her a PM, maybe she'll respond…

I was referring to Joes Shop. But I don't like the way the advertiser was handled either.