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Mako1113 Mar 2016 11:59 p.m. PST

Wanted to cross-post this here as well, from the Medieval board, but the system timed out on me.

I'm curious if there are any good, notable sieges that might make for an interesting, mini-campaign style game, in any of the following eras, and geographical locations:

- HYW from Crecy to Agincourt, and beyond
- Burgundian Wars
- French Ordonnance from the mid-late 1400s
- Wars of the Roses
- Medieval Italy from the early/mid 1300s – 1400s
- Renaissance Italy from 1494 – 1525, or so
- Medieval or Renaissance Germany, 1300s – 1525, or so
- Medieval, or Renaissance Switzerland

The above date periods are preferred, but I might be able to adapt some others, as hypotheticals, without losing too much sleep.

By "good", I'm looking for a siege that didn't end quickly, and had some interesting nuances to it, e.g.:

- preliminary skirmishes or battles outside the castle, or city fortress' walls;
- some strategies by both sides to try to end the siege in their favor – asking for outside assistance/reinforcement, cannonading the walls, mining underneath defensive walls and towers, etc., etc.;
- sending out strike teams from the castle to destroy siege engines and encampments, or to kill lots of the besiegers when they aren't paying attention, etc., etc.;
- and, perhaps even with a final, pitched battle, either outside the walls, inside them, or with reinforcements that arrive to help lift the siege.

Can't say I'm really up on anything other than a few of the more notable ones, like New Orleans, Neuss, Castillon, and one or two mentioned in passing between 1494 and 1515, or so, in Italy during the renaissance.

So, what are your favorite sieges, and/or hypothetical scenarios that might have happened, with the real ones in history?

SleepyDragon14 Mar 2016 2:02 a.m. PST

Siege of Siena (January 1554-April 1555) ?
link
and there is even an entire book on it, in English! "Firearms & Fortifications: Military Architecture and Siege Warfare in Sixteenth-Century Siena" Hardcover – September, 1986 by Simon Pepper (Author), Nicholas Adams (Author)

warwell14 Mar 2016 2:35 a.m. PST

The Great Siege of Malta 1565
A little outside your parameters but adaptable

olicana14 Mar 2016 6:17 a.m. PST

Or even the siege of Pisa by the Florentines in 1500. The assault failed and Pisan revolt held out for a further nine years.

VicCina Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2016 6:21 a.m. PST

There's the siege of Pavia, sack of Rome, Sack of Brescia, The siege of Mezieres, Siege of Tournai, Siege of Genoa, Siege of Sesia and the Siege of Marseille to name a few that took place during the Italian Wars from 1494-1525ish.

Costanzo114 Mar 2016 6:44 a.m. PST

Siege of Padova 1509.

Costanzo114 Mar 2016 6:54 a.m. PST

Siege of Florence 1529-30 which takes part Michelangelo, with several actions in the hills around the town.

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Mar 2016 10:30 a.m. PST

Vienna 1529. Not exactly Italian wars, but with many of its forces and shaping the face of Europe. Belgrade 1521 was a necessary precondition for this one, but afaik there is not much information available about that one.

Rhodes 1522 is well documented, but also not typical for the European area.

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2016 3:06 p.m. PST

Pavia

(Leftee)14 Mar 2016 4:51 p.m. PST

3 sieges of Berwick in this time period.
Siege of London by the Yorkists.
The hundred or so sieges of Bamburgh castle- slight exaggeration.
My favorite, Burgundian Wars, the siege and slaughter before Grandson made the Swiss even less disposed to the niceties of gentlemanly behavior.

(Leftee)14 Mar 2016 4:59 p.m. PST

(The siege and battle of Morat followed).

cplcampisi14 Mar 2016 7:38 p.m. PST

The siege of Naples in 1528 (and the surrounding campaign) is covered in some detail in Maurizio Arfaioli's thesis on the Giovanni di Medici and the black bands. It includes some useful maps.

Mako1115 Mar 2016 1:10 p.m. PST

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Padova = Padua?

cwlinsj17 Mar 2016 9:19 p.m. PST

I second the Siege of Malta. One of the most amazing sieges of the 16th Cent. Checked the advance of the Ottomans until their decisive defeat at Lepanto.

The preliminary siege of Ft. St. Elmo is every desperate last stand you've ever heard about – combined together!

I just wish there were some rules that could reproduce this accurately.

cplcampisi18 Mar 2016 3:51 p.m. PST

Mako11 --

Yes, Padova is the Italian form of Padua. :-)

cplcampisi18 Mar 2016 6:26 p.m. PST

Here's a link to Arfaioli's thesis:
PDF link

On page 267 there's a description of the skirmishing that took place to control some of the mills supplying the besieged forces with flour -- I've often thought that would be a fun scenario.

Daniel S19 Mar 2016 1:50 a.m. PST

Arfaioli has also released a free pdf version on the book based on the thesis
link

cplcampisi20 Mar 2016 1:58 a.m. PST

Thanks Daniel!

Mako1129 Mar 2016 3:26 a.m. PST

Thank you all.

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