"Latest GW AOS boxed set releases, Skaven, Undead" Topic

GW has released two new boxed sets for starting AOS forces. The prices on GW's site are pretty decent for the content you get, but this dealer on Ebay makes the boxed sets an even better value:

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You get all of this for $67.00 USD INCLUDING shipping! Folks, even if you despise the GW Evil Empire with all your passion, you have to admit that this is darn good deal. That's two huge vehicle models and a bunch of of foot soldiers for under $70.00 USD, and the detail is awesome as always. GW does have products that are value-priced, but you have to be discerning and find them among their mega-expensive stuff.

Gotta admit, sweet deal

That is basically the going 20% off you get from most retailers. So, it is a good price with the free ship.

Just be careful to watch each item from these ebay sellers as the discount amount can vary and I saw one seller who does not include the boxes they come in. That can matter to some buyers.

This same seller has the Bretonnian Battalion @ $105.00 USD which is full price. The Warstore can get it to you for $84.00 USD plus the $7 USD shipping. So keep your eyes open.
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So the occasional deal like this one is good with the free ship but most orders would still be just as good or perhaps a bit better from someone like Neil at the War Store for multi item orders. Especially if you need any other supplies at the same time :-).

For the same price I'd get more than 120 of Victrix's gorgeous Greek hoplites, Iberians, Italians or Carthaginians, or 120 of their nicely detailed Napoleonic miniatures, 3 guns and their crews. Not to talk about Conquest Games, Fireforge or Gripping Beast splendid medieval minis.

So, a bunch of 20 vermin and 2 weird, almost stupid and friggin' physically impossible war machines for 70$ and shipping a good deal? Really? To play a game system (AoS) that has managed to be even worse than the already awful WFB? I wouldn't pick it up even to play Kings of War (which is way better than AoS or WFB).

See, you may like their looks, it's up to you, but for as much as you try you won't end up making it true. Even at their lowest prices, AoS miniatures are overpriced. I really would neveer again buy a Bretonnian figure being able to resort to Fireforge, for example.

But they are a good deal. If you don't like the look of their stuff that is one thing but to say that two huge war machines and twenty figs for $67 USD is overpriced is madness.

How many games of AoS have you played?

While I agree with the value of the Victrix figures, and what you can get for the same money, keep in mind that for a lot of buyers Victrix plastics are not substitute goods. As much as I love historicals (my preference for wargaming), if I want to do a Skaven army, then I want to do a Skaven army, and no matter how much a better deal Victrix are, they are still not Skaven…

Damon.

I think the new Undead set is great. I have been thinking about getting into Age of Sigmar. The undead starter set has a Mortarch in it plus the other stuff for the price of the Mortarch alone. I'll probably get that and a box of skeletons and another box of knights and get started.

think maybe we could stop referring to GW as the Evil Empire….I mean really? I stopped buying their toys eight years ago because I can't justify their cost and I am up to my ears in hobby project stuff.
Can we try to keep it in perspective? They are just a toy company that makes really expensive toys. Buy them or not but put away the vitriol and bile for your own sake and the rest of us too…please.

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I will use "quotations" to cite a previous poster.

Call it "madness" if you want. I don't "have to admit that this is darn good deal" as the OP goes.

When comparing a deal on an economic basis, I've pretty well showed this GW deal is not so.

When comparing a deal on a quality basis, I've pretty well showed this GW deal is not such a "darn good deal".

That the fanbase consider it a good deal, I won't disagree to it. If anybody wants to have skaven and consider it a good deal, I won't disagree to it. Good for them, and by their terms.

I will disagree to call it a "darn good deal" in the generic sense the OP has done. Note it is crossposted to 28mm Fantasy and Fantasy Product Reviews Boards. And I don't even "despise the GW Evil Empire with … passion". I have Beastmen, Ork and Eldar armies and Blood Bowl teams.

So yes, considering that this 67$ "darn good deal" is a pretty better contender to "madness" than the contrary.

Because you know, there's a good deal of fantasy products out there that beat the boot out of GW products. Any starter set (45$) of Arena Rex is a far (far, FAR, SO VERY FAR) better deal than this 67$ "darn good deal". To name one which is way better both in quality and game system.

BTW don't need to waste any time on a junk of a game system like AoS (FYI I've read through it, but won't bother to try the thing; I don't need either to walk into a cesspool to know what the result will be). It manages to get even worse than the junk of a game that WFB was (yes I played it, as I did 40K; I consider both a waste).

But if you like it, good for you. Don't get mad, don't get offense, I don't mean to offend anyone; I too think soccer is a waste of time, but some people like it all the way (and orks, orks actually like junk and do pretty things with it).

I'm merely doing an objective comment about a game, as I merely did an objective comment about a 67$ "darn good deal" that simply is not so.

"BTW don't need to waste any time on a junk of a game system like AoS (FYI I've read through it, but won't bother to try the thing; "

Ahh, the opinion of the willfully ignorant. Always valuable.

"Because you know, there's a good deal of fantasy products out there that beat the boot out of GW products. Any starter set (45$) of Arena Rex is a far (far, FAR, SO VERY FAR) better deal than this 67$ "darn good deal". To name one which is way better both in quality and game system."

So I'm guessing you work for Arena Rex if you think that three figures for $45 USD is a better deal than $67 USD for a lot more stuff of similar quality. That or madness it is.

"the opinion of the willfully ignorant"

Which part of "FYI I've read through it" aren't you understanding?

"I'm guessing you work for Arena Rex"

WRONG.

"That or madness it is"

Guess you've not bothered to look at the Arena Rex starter sets. In terms of quality (gorgeous minis) and price it absolutely beats the skaven starter set in the OP.

I think you have taken it personally. You should chill out. You may even work for GW and be able to recognise things for what they are.

FYI (if you bother to read this) I own lots of GW minis and vehicles, including several Forgeworld vehicles and conversion kits. They may look good, even great, but they are not and never have been good deals, even at a good discount. They are deals for fans only, not for casual buyers. And these skaven contraptions don't even look that good.

The games, they are awful, only fanboys without judgment could consider them any other way. Not that awful games can't be enjoyed, I myself have enjoyed them some times. But man theyr are awful.

Again, no offense meant. Relax…

If you've never played it, which you haven't, you don't get it. So I understand what read through it means. It means I've read the rules once, failed to understand them and haven't played them so don't understand them at all really.

"WRONG."

"I think you have taken it personally. You should chill out."

I'm not the one typing things in all caps.

I looked at the Arena Rex sets. They are pretty nice. But if you think that three figures for $45 USD are a better deal than 20 figures and two big war machines objectively then you're wrong.

They might be worth more to an individual as they don't want Skaven. I wouldn't buy that set as I don't want Skaven but that is different from them not being a good deal. I don't like pickles but if you could buy three big jars of them for $1 USD I'd still recognize that as a good deal.

"If you've never played it, which you haven't, you don't get it. So I understand what read through it means. It means I've read the rules once, failed to understand them and haven't played them so don't understand them at all really."

Speak for you, man. It may be you who can't grasp them AoS rules after reading them. I have had more than enough.

"I'm not the one typing things in all caps."

I don't mind if you write caps or not. You're the one making this a personal case and saying people who disagree have a personal interest on disagreeing and do so because of madness.

"…Arena Rex sets. They are pretty nice. But if you think that three figures for $45.00 USD USD are a better deal than 20 figures and two big war machines objectively then you're wrong"

No, objectively the quality of both the game and the miniatures, at more than 25% less money than the skaven starter for AoS, is far superior. Unless you are a fan of AoS and/or the skaven, that is. But then it is subjective.

I myself would change 20 GW troop minis and 2 freaking war machines for an Arena Rex starter and 20$, every time; I don't play either game, but would gleefully play Arena Rex, while could not care less about playing 40K or WFB again (and won't waste time on AoS).

3 jars of pickles are not a good deal unless you are going to make something of those pickles. Objectively, one jar of strawberries at 25% less is a better deal qualitatively; quantitatively, the same price for half a dozen jars of pickles would be a good deal.

OK, now I am expecting to see Grover come and make a better explanation on the matter using jars and pickles.

I don't think that he is the one taking it personally. You sound upset because he burned you with that comment about the caps, which was pretty funny, you have to admit. You are the one that started yelling.

You can think whatever you want. I wasn't the one saying a comment by other poster was "madness". That is offensive.

Nor did I question a comment on grounds of "willful ignorance". That is offensive.

I am free to agree or not and to argue it. But I did not offend the OP saying he said mad things or he was willfully ignorant.

It is obvious that it's Pictor's Studio took it personally, just putting such offensive comments which had no reason to be made that way. Funny comments? No, not even a bit; conceited, yes.

See I'm far from burned because those comments. Nor upset. I use arguments to make my point, and it includes caps to reinforce concepts.

Such an scornful, disrespectuous affirmation as "I'm guessing you work for Arena Rex" deserves a strong answer, just as the one I gave. Emphasized by the occasional use of caps (which is not yelling, as opposed to write full sentences in caps).

You wrote a full sentence in caps. The sentence contained one word.

I haven't been into GW stuff for very long but it seems like a lot of people are on the web like you. You seem to be upset by the whole GW thing. Like they did something to you personally.

Honestly you wouldn't even be on this thread if you didn't have a personal reason for it.

Saying that something deserves a strong answer, rather than just a refusal, indicates that you were upset. You were offended by the comment, you are saying the comments are offensive. So you were offended. Offended is a form of being upset.

Let's everyone take this down a level, OK? Gaming is supposed to be fun.

FUN

I insist!

Let me explain (again) that I have no personal interest on derising anyone or anything. I have made no personal comments on anybody. I have discussed and put arguments to make my points.

I have said and repeated that I am not upset. I just pointed out that derising comments were made to answer my arguments because somebody made a personal case about defending something.

I have not yelled at anything. I emphasized twice, as can be perfectly made out of my comments (one word phrase? Come on, to yell such a phrase you need exclamation marks, otherwise you just highlight it).

You can't give offending comments the ability to automatically offend somebody. And me, I am quite calm. To put you in perspective, I am not a native English speaker, and keep the dictionary besides, always, to be able to communicate efficiently.

But it still is not a "darn good deal". ;-)

Dogged is like TMP personified.

Dogged, please post a link to where interested parties may acquire "more than 120 of Victrix's gorgeous Greek hoplites, Iberians, Italians or Carthaginians, or 120 of their nicely detailed Napoleonic miniatures, 3 guns and their crews" for $68 USD shipped.

Anyways, at even their MSRP they are pretty good deals; at 20% off that makes them phenomenal. Nobody makes anything in the same style as GW's kits, so these Start Collecting! are not just darn good deals, but are actually good deals. Whether you play the (great) Age of Sigmar or the (fantastic) Kings of War, the Start Collecting! sets represent a great new direction for GW after the new CEO took over.

good point HubCommish, as I've been thinking of buying into Napoleonics. If I can get 120 Napoleonic line infantry along with 3 guns and crews for $67 USD shipped I would buy at least one if not two of those deals.

HubCommish,

I found the deal that Dogged was talking about. From Victrix website, you can order direct from them this deal: link
In the deal are 120 infantry, 12 cavalry, and 3 guns w/ crew.

However, the price is £90.00 GBP plus £24.00 GBP for shipping from the UK to the USA, which is roughly $163. USD

Now for that same $163 USD, you could get two of the Start Collecting! sets at discount ($67 x 2 = $134 USD) and still have $29 USD leftover to maybe buy some terrain for your new army.

I am interested in this Victrix deal, too. Please post info!

EDIT: Oops should read all posts before getting overexcited …

@Judge Doug & HUBCommish: It is not that deal, but below you'll find some places where you can make some good deals (quantity and quality). Caliver books free shipping for minis applies always. Wayland Games too IIRC. Or you can wait for the periodical offers by Victrix and save a good %.

Regarding if the GW starters I will quote myself: "That the fanbase consider it a good deal, I won't disagree to it. If anybody wants to have skaven and consider it a good deal, I won't disagree to it. Good for them, and by their terms." I myself have bought some "deals" of GW minis; they were good deals for their minis but weren't good deals when compared to other companies or games. And this is my point, none else. Links, links, I hear you say. Here, some:

caliverbooks.com/figures/catviewer.php?10eda5defd4041ad09d0490d68801ecd&producer=93&range=Plastic%20Ancient&menu=4

caliverbooks.com/figures/catviewer.php?10eda5defd4041ad09d0490d68801ecd&producer=93&range=Plastic%20Napoleonics&menu=4

victrixlimited.com/collections/greek-ancients/products/spartan-armoured-hoplites-5th-to-3rd-century-bce

store.warlordgames.com/collections/napoleonic-french/products/late-war-french-regiment-special-offer

waylandgames.co.uk/1495-victrix-miniatures?id_category=1495&n=28#

BTW, on "Nobody makes anything in the same style as GW's kits", there's Mantic. Their starter sets:

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/abyssal-dwarfs/product/abyssal-dwarf-army.html

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/orcs/product/orc-army.html

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/getting-started/product/undead-army.html

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/getting-started/product/elf-army.html

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/getting-started/product/basilean-army-set-48-figures.html

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/getting-started/product/dwarf-army.html

Or the 2 player starter with the rulebook and 93 minis:

manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/getting-started/product/kings-of-war-two-player-battle-set-.html

I'm just disappointed this "120 Napoleonic miniatures, 3 guns and their crews for $68 USD" deal turned out to be no more than a rhetorical device.

Age of Sigmar posts sure seem to attract a lot of discontent among folks who do not play Age of Sigmar.

NOTHING in what you posted was "objective". The only point you made was that you hate GW with a passion.

There is NOTHING "objective" about your statements. We get it-- you hate GW with a serious passion.

Hello, does anyone know why all of the followup messages have been deleted?

Looks like my previous comment was deleted (per usual, no reason given) but I am still interested in knowing where I can get 120 Victrix figures for 67 USD. Since that claim was made here, it should be supported with evidence here.

Doesn't the $45 USD Arena Rex starter kit only contain 3 figures?

Looks like my previous comment was deleted (per usual, no reason given)…

Database bug has been fixed.

thanks Dogged, I have lots of nice historicals (just recently got the ACW Perry starter set) and actually three large Mantic armies for Kings of War but even then none of those armies are in the same style as GW (especially GW's newest plastics, them and WGF-Kingdom Death are neck and neck for best plastics engineering on the planet). If you want plague guys you buy GW Nurgle… if you want big ghost guys you buy GW Malignants. So the Start Collecting! sets are pretty phenomenal deals if those are the models you were already wanting, and now they're at a huge discount.

But mainly I was hoping for the 120 Naps/3guns&crew for $68 USD deal :(

Database bug has been fixed.

Glad to hear it!

But mainly I was hoping for the 120 Naps/3guns&crew for $68 USD USD deal :(

So this isn't a thing after all? I am not only interested in Naps but also Victrix ancients.

This kind of touches on the debate to hand, as well. With historicals, you may have a dozen and more companies offering nice WW2 Germans in 28mm so you can afford to let price be a deciding factor. This is not the case when it comes to fantasy or sci fi stuff, at least not for me. I may have a use for some ratmen for example, but for me that is not the same market as the one for Skaven.

I disliked the Stormcast Eternals until I actually got done and, in hand, I think they are amazing. I have some Victrix hoplites, and contrary to many others' opinions, I dobt care for them and prefer Crusader on mdGoubdry's hoplites, includes the Coke bottle shields.
My opinion and personal taste.
Thanks, Editor for chiming in, as one dude's comments were getting vitriolic(lol, is that even a word?).

Thanks, Editor for chiming in, as one dude's comments were getting vitriolic(lol, is that even a word?).

It is now!

Looks like my previous comment was deleted (per usual, no reason given) but I am still interested in knowing where I can get 120 Victrix figures for 67 USD. Since that claim was made here, it should be supported with evidence here.

I am not sure who made that claim or under what circumstances, since I haven't followed this thread closely, but is it possible he or she was talking about these? link

Depending on when you did the conversion, two of those boxes (120 miniatures) could come out to $67 USD (currently it's $68 USD). I don't know anything about Victrix, so I am just guessing.

Manchu, do you like Ancients? If you're in the market for them, I have some 15mm Xyston Iberians that I've been meaning to offload.

@Achtung Minen,

the claim was made that for $68 USD, "I'd get […] 120 of their nicely detailed Napoleonic miniatures, 3 guns and their crews." and then the conversation turned to how one can get 120 Naps & 3 guns w/ crews for $68 USD but no one could find that deal.

@Achtung Minen – Thanks for the offer but I have Punic War 15s that get no love, just not my scale I guess. Was really hoping this sweet Victrix deal for 28s would pan out.

Huh, well I do like a mystery! It sounds like some army deal… The only one I found that came close was 120 infantry and 3 artillery (with crew and limbers) for $83. USD I don't really do Napoleonics either, but still not a bad price at the end of the day (about 70 cents a piece). That said, I couldn't imagine ever sitting down to actually paint 120 shakos…

Late apologies for the Autocorrupt in my post…. 😕