GARS1900 | 06 Mar 2016 12:24 p.m. PST |
I've been looking for a good vile of modeling paint in the color Raw Sienna, and I've been unable to find it. Does anyone know a good modeling paint manufacturer that makes a vile of paint in this color? Mind you, I will have to order this stuff online (and, therefore, will be blind), so I'd like specific paint colors, if possible. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 06 Mar 2016 12:44 p.m. PST |
Liquitex(art paint) does a good one. I use a lot of inexpensive craft paints. Most craft stores carry several brands,with slightly different hues.For the price,you can try them all. If that doesn't sound too vile. |
Dave Jackson | 06 Mar 2016 1:03 p.m. PST |
Unless I'm wrong, you won't find a hobby paint manufacturer who makes "Raw sienna". Craft paints are the best, as Hafen says, Liquitex acrylics make a good one. |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 06 Mar 2016 1:19 p.m. PST |
Dave's right--I've been using Liquitex and craft paint so long I forgot about this. Part of hobby paint's er,"craftiness" in getting you to pay three bucks for a 1 ounce bottle of "French Blue" instead of 89 cents for 2 ounces of Dark Blue. BTW,Raw Sienna makes a great base for flesh. |
wrgmr1 | 06 Mar 2016 1:22 p.m. PST |
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jowady | 06 Mar 2016 1:30 p.m. PST |
Model Master makes "Raw Sienna". |
DyeHard | 06 Mar 2016 2:45 p.m. PST |
Vallejo : Artist Acrylic Ink : 30ml : Raw Sienna AVA30016 link or a pre-thined for airbrush: Vallejo Premium Color Acrylic Paint – Raw Sienna (60ml) 62.017 link |
goragrad | 06 Mar 2016 5:17 p.m. PST |
For airbrush there is Life Color. I've been using it with a brush, needs a varnish to protect, but so do my acrylics.
link Art paints at that link lists a large number of brands and if you click to the actual color they have CMYK and RGB codes for that color in addition to the swatch. Those would at least let you compare the different brands. Particularly as here is the Model Master version of Raw Sienna - link
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GARS1900 | 06 Mar 2016 5:54 p.m. PST |
Could I possibly apply the Vallejo airbrush paint right out of the bottle with a brush, or is it to be used with an airbrush only? |
abelp01 | 06 Mar 2016 6:13 p.m. PST |
I've used them right from the bottle, but it might take a couple of layers to cover the area completely. |
GARS1900 | 06 Mar 2016 9:21 p.m. PST |
So Vallejo airbrush paint are just incredibly thin right out of the bottle? |
CeruLucifus | 06 Mar 2016 9:34 p.m. PST |
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jwebster | 06 Mar 2016 10:04 p.m. PST |
Hi GARS1900 I tried to write up a post about searching and colour matching online but I gave up. Indeed I have come to the conclusion that colour (or even color) matching is indeed vile, when looking for a single vial of paint (sorry, it's late at night, I just couldn't resist that one) I have found it very hard to match up colours and I am terrible about building combinations up that have the same tone. Online colour swatches are generally not accurate and depend on your monitor calibration anyway. Note that Apple products are colour calibrated as part of manufacturing, and believe some other top end cell phone/tablet manufacturers do as well.
Raw Sienna is a pigment, and different companies will treat it a little differently so I don't think there is even any consistency amongst art paint suppliers. Raw Sienna is usually an orange brown. Personally I like the Vallejo VMC Orange Brown 70.981. Vallejo airbrush paint can be brushed straight out of the bottle but it is pre-diluted for spraying so you won't get the same pigment density (coverage) as a regular paint. Good luck John |
GildasFacit | 07 Mar 2016 4:38 a.m. PST |
Raw Sienna varies considerably between manufacturers of artists quality paints (though Raw Umber is even worse) – it is, after all, only a naturally occurring earth so some variation can be expected. I'd expect that this is the reason for most model paint manufacturers to avoid traditional pigment names but also because they often use a manufactured equivalent or a mixture that approximates the colour (as do some artists' colourmen). I'd class Raw Sienna as a yellow brown and I don't think there is a particularly close match anywhere in the Vallejo range. Orange brown is not close to the W&N version of Raw Sienna nut may be closer to other manufacturer's versions. If I needed such a colour I'd mix Leather Brown with either Yellow Ochre or Green Ochre – probably about 3 x as much yellow as brown. |
jwebster | 08 Mar 2016 5:29 p.m. PST |
And then I was looking for something else and found an equivalence list on a reaper forum. The poster (sorry forgot who) had contacted Vallejo and they sent this list Burnt Sienna – Mahogany Brown 846/139 Raw Sienna – Ochre Brown 856/127 Burnt Umber – Hull Red 985/146 Cadmium Orange – Clear Orange 956/025 Naples Yellow – Sunny Skintone 845/020 Gold Ochre – Light Brown 929/129 Van Dyck Brown – German Camo Black Brown 822/150 I can't vouch any of these matches myself. Now that you have the vallejo numbers it should be possible to find matching paints from other manufacturers or craft paint. GildasFacit is right about raw sienna being more yellow, not orange I started out with student artists' acrylics and found it very hard to mix the colours I wanted. I eventually came to the realisation that artists' paints have combinations of (pure) colours. As you learn to paint in the art world, you learn combinations of these colours (pigments) that get the colours and effects you want – these combinations have been developed over a couple of hundred years. Gaming paints are pre-mixed to get the colour you want, or at least pretty close. My artist paints are now covered with dust (not to mention the flow and coverage problems I had) Let us know what works for you John |
jwebster | 09 Mar 2016 12:03 p.m. PST |
I was looking at flesh tone mixing from oil instructions so looking for equivalents and I pulled out those dusty art paints My Raw sienna liquitex basics acrylic is almost identical to Vallejo Game Color 72.150 Heavy Ochre John |
Reactionary | 01 May 2017 8:40 a.m. PST |
Javier Gomez "El Mercenario" in his book "Painting Wargaming Figures", mentions using "Raw Sienna 113" several times. I can't seem to find this in the Vallejo range. Any ideas folks? |
Vatutin | 08 Jun 2017 4:23 a.m. PST |
Reactionary, that's because it is not one of their modelling paints, but it is found in their 'Arte Deco' range. If you check p.14 he gives the details there. |