"Modern UK civil war" Topic

Would the scots behave etc?

Yes.

In the immortal words of DOM at nine years old, "I always exhibit behaviour. Just not necessarily the way you would want me to."

Dave Arrowsmith 'For what, a chap asked for an opinion on what towns/cities may have a Muslim majority in the near future, I suggested which I thought may have.'
Did I miss that post?

Yes, London has been lost forever. Where next?

Leaving aside some of the borderline racism infesting this thread, the fact remains that not only do we have insufficient weapons for a Civil War…

… it would never happen because too many people would complain about the noise.

Possibly if Scotland declared UDI you'd get a nasty situation there, but that's not going to happen either.

Our Muslim population is overwhelmingly law abiding and loyal, one reason why you'll notice our security services have an excellent record in detecting plots against the public.

"Did I miss that post?"

Gotta say I could not see it either, still can't.

Possibly if Scotland declared UDI you'd get a nasty situation there, but that's not going to happen either.

"Scotch on the Rocks" BBC, 1973. Adapted from a novel by Douglas Hurd, of all people.

If Scotland assimilate the northern counties, at least Scottish football would improve! :-)

I say build a new wall just south of the Watford Gap – and circle it round somehow to block Essex off.

first against the wall would be people who 'star' in and create soap operas, reality tv shows, 'talent' shows and talk shows – plus those who watch them ;-) so all in all, it would probably be a good thing and we'd come out of it better off lol :D

Wow !! Didn't realize there was that much discontent and factions in the UK. huh? Besides the traditional Brits, Irish, Scots and Welsh !

umm, that would be ENGLISH, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, otherwise they are all 'Brits'.

The English aren't Brits! They're German benefits scroungers from the 5th and 6th centuries who haven't sobered up enough to get the ferry back yet.

I find the whole premise of the OP distasteful.
And oddly misguided.

Any person of genuine British stock knows we leave our animosity for each other to the sporting field & sarcastic gibes (see alien BLOODY HELL surfer, above). I take on board his comment on Scottish football & pose him the question what sort of geographical distribution would help English Rugby? Perhaps including the North Island of New Zealand?

An American civil war may/may not be on the cards but a British one is the purest fantasy.

Gwydion – true. But then the Scots are Irish scroungers from the same period who've yet to go home also… :)

Ochoin – nothing will help English rugby…

Kavitag – Ultramoderns is… special. Plenty of proper discussion elsewhere. Though if this board isn't to your taste, I can recommend WD3.

We're madder than a herd of spoons, but don't talk politics.

Dearest Mr Rudd, hello and welcome to TMP, for a first time visit you have had quite a lot to say, unfortunately most of it was utter tosh. As a "Londoner" was a little unfortunate, how long has Kent been a part of London, real London I mean where real Londoners live not just commuter types. My fig leaf of Patriotism extends to twelve years service in the armed forces including two tours of Northern Ireland and a tour in the Falklands also two years living in London and performing ceremonial duties at Buckingham Palace, St James Palace and The Tower of London, so I do know a tiny bit about living in London, not as much as a hard core Cockney such as yourself of course but a little bit. When you are apologizing to the Americans you may also want to say sorry for spelling their nationality with a small "a". I don't care if you think I am a racist, it is the standard fall back of all s when they can't have their own way. I view all races the same because I have traveled a lot and guess what, everywhere has a mix of great people, ordinary people, and unpleasant loud mouthed judgmental toilet bowls, . Anyway, I'm going to have to go now and learn how to tie my shoe laces, may I suggest to spend some of your time learning to spell THEIR! lots of love, Dave.

Dave Arrosmith
Erm…
Check your spelling – Is a fig leave a piece of fruit that you have forgotten? Poncy what's that? poncey-that I have heard of. Is someone who is raciest the fastest person in a group. As an Brit you have travelled and you are judgemental. And I think you meant to say 'suggest YOU spend some of your time…'
Shame.

'I take on board his comment on Scottish football & pose him the question what sort of geographical distribution would help English Rugby? Perhaps including the North Island of New Zealand?' lol, like it :-)

well, we'd start with annexing Wales, then rebuild the Empire so we can grab all the players from Australia and South Africa :D

Annexe Wales. Well, Surfer, I think you did, sometime in the Middle Ages, then you gave it back a few years ago.

To borrow a phrase from our American cousins, come and get it.

we'd start with annexing Wales, then rebuild the Empire so we can grab all the players from Australia and South Africa :D

Now there's a plan!

An England team without any English players actually in it is bound to do better.

"SJW" ?

What is this? 4chan?

Myself, I wouldn't claim service in the army of the 1970s-80s as proof of anti-racist credentials…..

And I too have no idea what an SJW is.

Apparently it stands for Social Justice Warrior possibly an Americanism. I had not come accross it before.

Mug though is a real London expression I suspect it may be an Irish contribution to the Great Wen's lexicon.

No, I've never heard that and I'm a Yank. I've heard it before from some who have been banned from TMP. And are on another site(s) where this sort of lack of internet manners, common sense and respect, etc., are not enforced. I've hit the [!] … this is the second thread I had to do this today. Looks like some of the children made it to the Big Boys table.

umm, that would be ENGLISH, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, otherwise they are all 'Brits'.

Sorry … I'm just a Northern Yank … you "Limeys" all look pretty much the same to us …

The English aren't Brits! They're German benefits scroungers from the 5th and 6th centuries who haven't sobered up enough to get the ferry back yet.

Oh my ! Don't confuse me !!!!

To borrow a phrase from our American cousins, come and get it.

Oh dear ! Looks like there are seeds for ECW II !!!!

Myself, I wouldn't claim service in the army of the 1970s-80s as proof of anti-racist credentials…..

Don't be concerned Dave, stu has called me a racist a number of times. As I served in the US ARMY Infantry '79-'90 …

If you are not afraid to kill the enemy and their supporters. In an efficient and effective manner, in large numbers. To stu … that makes you a racist. LOL !!!!!

Does anyone make internet debaters in 15mm?

I'd have gone for 6mm, but that tends to require team basing and they're usually pretty lonely.

Hey, Legion, as Wales isn't part of England, it wouldn't be a civil war just an extension of various wars of English Aggression which are now happily restricted to the rugby pitch.

Surfer may have his own views on the relative happiness of the rugby situation……

Legion4
Sorry!
Jutes, Saxons, Angles came over (depends which revisionist you believe how many) and either:

a)kicked the indigenous Brits into the western and northern mountains and nicked the best land, or…

b) won the locals over with their manly stature and all the Brits said, 'Yes please! I'd like to be an Angle too!' (and in English because it sounded so much better than their own language, which they promptly abandoned.

"Sounded much better" – going a bit dic sion daffydd, there Gwydion?

Hey, Legion, as Wales isn't part of England, it wouldn't be a civil war just an extension of various wars of English Aggression which are now happily restricted to the rugby pitch.

Well I know Wales isn't part of England … But they are part of the UK, yes ?

The Southern US states are still part of the US/The Union … even though some are not still real happy about it !

Jutes, Saxons, Angles came over (depends which revisionist you believe how many) and either:

Well I remember the Romans left the Brit Isles about 450 AD. The Saxons were showing up around that time. And Don't forget the Vikings !

So I'm thinking way back in the DNA of the average Brit Islanders is Roman and Norse blood …

Gun running from the US or maybe from Mexico. Also, don't forget that the Sten SMG was made in Bicycle shops during WW2. I wonder what the school machine shops could turn out today or maybe 3D printers in the computer shop

Hopefully dragging the thread back from the brink here…

I had a similar discussion about firearms in the UK in a Zombie Apocalypse discussion a while back. Do schools in the UK still have Cadet Corps or is that long gone? If they (and their arms rooms) still exist, that might be one source of firearms for the belligerent factions in such a scenario.

Edit: A bit of Googling answered my own question. Yes, they still exist and they still hold stocks of weapons, specificly semi-auto versions of the SA-80 and .22s. But hey, any gun is better than no gun when you need it. So add raiding Cadet Corps arms rooms to stealing weapons from the military and police, battlefield salvage, overseas gun running, and using the surprisingly large number of legal shotguns and bolt action rifles that still exist in the UK to the list of possible sources of weapons for militias in a hypothetical civil war.

So I'm thinking way back in the DNA of the average Brit Islanders is Roman and Norse blood …

I think, like the DNA studies have shown, like the Chinese, we have absorbed all the invaders and remain essentially Celtic.

Yes, Wales is part of the U.K.; we are the hilly bit on the left which if it was flat would be bigger than England.

Or Rangers, Herkybird?

Yes, that was a long time ago … They advertise on TV at least 2 web sites that you can give a DNA sample. And they'll trace your ancestry. "23 and Me" is one and the other Ancestry.com, IIRC … A little pricey, but I'd like to find out sometime. From what I can tell they can trace back pretty far. So who knows if it would find whose DNA is mixed in with that Celtic blood.

My grandparents came over from Italy in the late 1800's to the US. So who knows if one of my long past Ancestors was a Roman Centurion posted in the British Isles. Took a liking to a local Lass. And took her back to Rome.

Oh … wait … that means I could have … never mind ! The thought is too "disturbing" to even be considered !!!!!

Yes, Wales is part of the U.K.;

Yes I know the map of the UK. But know the Welsh, Scots and Irish have had some bad blood with the Brits in the past. Like the Southern states in the USA …

Ahem, "Brits" means different things in different places. I think you mean that the Celtic fringe has had a few issues with the English and you'd be right. That's why they think it's a jolly old game of rugger and we treat it as open warfare.

The English have nothing to do with your racism, You actually Hate the Norman/Breton/French.
The English got just as ed as your lot did.

Gun running from the US or maybe from Mexico.

Cocaine is more profitable per volume to smuggle than guns. Youse guys get plenty of blow, not so much guns today, and I think that is likely to continue.

Goonfighter

"Sounded much better" – going a bit dic sion daffydd, there Gwydion?

roeddwn i'n bod yn ddychanol

Mae'n drwg gen i, Gwydion. Rydw i'n wedi anghofio llawer o fy'n safon O…..

Crumple, maybe I am mistaken but as a "Welsh doggie"', immortalised in an English nursery rhyme as a thief, if I am rascist, I don't think I'm the only one.

Which nursery rhyme is that?

Just google "Taffy was a Welshman"' Crumple, that or ask Anne Robinson, she's always good for a laugh on this one.

Dear old Anne, how we laughed.

Yes, with her and AA Gill, the winter evenings just flew by.

Ah now be fair. All Adrian Gill said in the beginning was that the town of Flint, or Fflint if you want to use a language that hardly any of the residents speak, was a place that would look better from the cab of a wrecking ball. I can't really imagine many people who know the place would argue too much but the local council managed to call him a racist. And to add further insult they called him an English racist, he's a Scot.

Is he? Well, there you go, I walked into that one. I'm still not happy about the "ugly pugnacious trolls" bit though.

A fight over the Crown, one side supporting one candidate another supporting another candidiate

A fight over the Crown, one side supporting one candidate another supporting another candidiate.

Yes. Probably when George and Charlotte are at nursery school and their friends get a bit crotchety just before everyone has a nap.

I'm assuming various posters here take AVBCW as historical wargaming & have applied it to the near future thinking there's some foundation in reality.

The charm of AVBCW is that the organising premise is utter fantasy. Most British people don't own weapons & aren't in the habit of shooting one another. There is no possibility of a British civil war in the foreseeable future. The Queen, for one, wouldn't like it.

Sorry Buff " And to add further insult they called him an English racist, he's a Scot." They had him bang to rights.

Gill was born in Edinburgh to English parents, television producer and director Michael Gill and actress Yvonne Gilan. The family moved back to the south of England when he was one year old.

Sais as the Cymry say.

ochoin I'd say you are wrong about AVBCW's organising premise is utter fantasy. Its far from that, more of 'what if' history premised on existing trends in British politics of the day and events taking a different turn. I'm not a AVBCW player but those lads take a lot of trouble over their research.