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JD Lee18 Feb 2016 11:52 a.m. PST

The Ferdinand on the Flames of War site looks like it has a solid white cross. Is this correct?
See the link below for the picture of the Ferdinand at the bottom of the page.


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Disco Joe18 Feb 2016 12:34 p.m. PST

All the ones that I have photos for show a black cross with white outline. Not a white cross with black outline.

JimDuncanUK18 Feb 2016 12:44 p.m. PST

The FOW detail is here.

link

My understanding though is that the white cross was only used in Poland in 1939.

The Ferdinand didn't come into service until 1943, I think.

Cujoman18 Feb 2016 1:01 p.m. PST

Googling for some Kursk Ferdinand pictures I found this:

flic.kr/p/qw2pz2

It shows a captured vehicle were the soviets has "crossed" over the balkenkreuz, I guess the painter has had a similar picture when painting up the vehicle.

deephorse19 Feb 2016 3:15 a.m. PST

Even if he did I can't see how he ended up painting what's on the FoW site. Personally I wouldn't trust that image and would stick with what all my books and a Google search show.

Andy ONeill19 Feb 2016 8:08 a.m. PST

The black cross outlined in white was most common.
Just the white outline was possible.
White with a black outline would be a mistake made by the painter with which way round he's supposed to use the stencils.

They had card stencils. The usual process was to hold a stencil on the tank and stipple the paint on. So you have the outline stencil and the inner stencil for your cross.
You hold up one and stipple black on two or three likely spots on your tank.
Clean your brush.
Get the outline stencil and your white paint and slap that on.
Or maybe you don't bother with that black bit and just do the white.
Or maybe you use the black and white the wrong way round.

A mix up was possible but unlikely.

Martin Rapier19 Feb 2016 9:57 a.m. PST

I have seen some examples of Balkan crosses being done with a black centre, white edge and then another black line around the outside.

There were some imaginative painters in the Wehrmacht:)

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