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alan L16 Feb 2016 3:33 a.m. PST

Am I correct that the saddle cloth would be green with gold trim?

I have seen pictures of black sheepskin with silver stars: perhaps that is for cavalry?

Did some generals also wear a white tunic in the field as per scenes in War and Peace?

von Winterfeldt16 Feb 2016 4:49 a.m. PST

would depened on the time period, here form visokovatov from Mark Conrads Home Page

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Before the establishment in 1808 of a special general officer's coat, in all circumstances generals wore the uniform coats of those regiments and units to which they belonged.

26 January 1808– At parades, on specially tabulated holidays, and in general at any gathering of troops, generals were ordered to wear a standard newly established general officers' coat, of the normal pattern for officers at this time, double-breasted, of dark-green cloth, with red collar, cuffs, and turnbacks, with dark-green cuff flaps with red piping, and gold embroidery on the collar, cuffs, cuff flaps, and pocket flaps that depicted oak leaves. Gold epaulettes, white cloth pants, and tall boots [botforty] with spurs. With this uniform generals in the Infantry wore the normal infantry sword, those in the Heavy Cavalry—the cavalry sword, and those in the Light Cavalry—sabers. Along with this, generals were given shabracks and pistol carriers of bear fur, with St. Andrew stars (Illus. 2363 and 2364) (74).

22 January 1809– Generals serving in garrisons but not on the Army's list at large [ne chislyashchies' po Armii] were allowed to wear the standard general officer's uniform, changing only the gold embroidery, epaulettes, and buttons to silver, and to have infantry swords and—on their hat—a black plume [sultan] (Illus. 2365) (75).

8 June 1809 – The plumage [plyumazh] on generals' hats was removed and the previous pattern of buttonhole loop, of narrow galloon, was replaced by a new one consisting of four thick braided cords the same color as the buttons, of which the two center ones were twisted together in the form of a plait (Illus. 2365) (76).

In 1810 the high plumes used on generals' hats were shortened (77).

6 May 1811 – In addition to their prescribed parade coat, generals were allowed to wear the standard army coat described below, provided that when troops of more than one regiment were gathered at one place they were to put on the parade coat, observing this rule even in the field and when in battle against the enemy (78).

In 1812 high collars were changed to lower ones. On the parade coat the collar remained diagonally open as before, while on the standard army coat it was closed by means of small hooks (79).

6 April 1814 – On the embroidered coats of cavalry generals, instead of two rows of buttons, it was ordered that they have a single row of nine. Piping down the front opening was to be red, and both ends of the collar were to step back from the front opening for a distance of four vershoks [seven inches] (Illus. 2366). The standard army coat for cavalry generals was ordered to have the same buttons and piping, but the collar was to be closed with small hooks (Illus. 2367) (80).

In 1814 there was added to the black tape with orange checks that was on the edge of the cockade on general officers' hats a white tape of the same width, latter changed to silver (81).

9 September 1816 – Garrison generals in parade coats, instead of red collars, were ordered to have dark-green collars with red piping and the previous embroidery (Illus. 2368) (82).

7 May 1817- Generals' infantry coats, with embroidery as well as the standard army pattern, instead of being double-breasted, were ordered to be single-breasted, with red piping and nine buttons, following the pattern for cavalry coats. Infantry swords were to be worn with these coats, and the plume on the hat was white (Illus. 2369) (83).

24 October 1818– Generals wearing the garrison coat were ordered to have these single-breasted instead of double-breasted, following the pattern for infantry and cavalry coats. With this coat an infantry sword was to be worn, and the plume on the hat was white (Illus. 2370) (84).

26 June 1820 – Generals in the Garrison Artillery branch were ordered to have a coat of the same pattern as that prescribed for army generals, single-breasted but with a dark-green collar, and with silver embroidery, buttons, and epaulettes. An undress coat [vitse-mundir] was also established, identical but without embroidery (85).

7 August 1820 – Generals in the Light Cavalry were allowed to wear moustaches (86).

21 December 1820 – Generals assigned to the Internal Guard from other branches were ordered to keep the standard army coat (87).

21 May 1825 – Generals of the Separate Lithuania Corps and the Reserve Corps of troops under HIS IMPERIAL HIGHNESS THE TSESAREVICH CONSTANTINE PAVLOVICH were ordered to have coats, undress coats, and frock coats with raspberry collars and cuffs, with gold embroidery on parade coats (Illus. 2371 and 2372) (88).

Marc the plastics fan16 Feb 2016 11:19 a.m. PST

Piccies?

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Feb 2016 11:51 a.m. PST

Am I correct that the saddle cloth would be green with gold trim?

I have seen pictures of black sheepskin with silver stars: perhaps that is for cavalry?

Depends on period. From 1808 generals haved universal uniform with bearskin saddle cover. Only difference for cavalry generals was white plume instead of black one. Green saddle cloth with gold trim then belongs to staff officers and ADC.


Did some generals also wear a white tunic in the field as per scenes in War and Peace?

After 1808 these in white are ADC from cavalry.

alan L19 Feb 2016 3:06 a.m. PST

Thank you for the help

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