| Weasel | 07 Feb 2016 11:55 a.m. PST |
You buy an army list for a historical game. What do you expect to get? A: Stat lines and profiles for troops.
B: Points values.
C: A text book TO&E.
D: A historical TO&E based on a specific campaign.
E: Background text and "fluff".
F: A sample army.
G: Something else entirely. You can give multiple answers of course. |
| vtsaogames | 07 Feb 2016 12:09 p.m. PST |
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Gunfreak  | 07 Feb 2016 12:16 p.m. PST |
It should come with ready painted armies that are in the army list. If the list uses points, then those armies should be at the maximum points. So you can choose to play with less points if that's your thing. |
| rmaker | 07 Feb 2016 12:40 p.m. PST |
I don't need "army lists". I'd like orders of battle and tables of organization. |
| MajorB | 07 Feb 2016 12:53 p.m. PST |
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 Dye4minis | 07 Feb 2016 1:02 p.m. PST |
Would also be nice to have a list of what battles the unit was involved in with their losses at the battle and who was the commander at the time. |
 Herkybird | 07 Feb 2016 1:32 p.m. PST |
A,B,C and G – a fair and balanced force to fight its historical opponents with a fair chance of winning! |
| MajorB | 07 Feb 2016 2:06 p.m. PST |
a fair and balanced force How does an army list ensure a fair and balanced force? |
| Cerdic | 07 Feb 2016 2:19 p.m. PST |
H. I don't use army lists. |
| Mute Bystander | 08 Feb 2016 4:01 a.m. PST |
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| Weasel | 08 Feb 2016 3:14 p.m. PST |
Wait, so not even a TO&E? |
| Cerdic | 09 Feb 2016 8:00 a.m. PST |
Well Weasel, it depends! I wouldn't say an 'army list' is the same thing as a TOE. Lots of games that supply army lists tend to describe them as 'representative' forces. So they are sort of based on real life but fiddled about with to give a good game with that set of rules. I associate TOEs with modern warfare. In the old days, everyone in the 3rd Foot'n'Mouth had a musket and that was all there was to it. In the even older days you just rocked up with whatever lethal looking piece of kit you had. So. If I am doing WW2 I will build my forces as historically as possible, using TOEs. But that information can all be researched online anyway. There is no need to buy army lists or anything similar. If I am doing Napoleonics I will usually use historical Orders Of Battle. These will detail how an army was organised into Brigades and Divisions and so on, but are different from TOEs because there is no need of the 'E' bit! Again, Orders Of Battle can be researched fairly easily, so no need to buy army lists. If I am doing Vikings…well, they're Vikings…. |
 miniMo | 09 Feb 2016 9:04 a.m. PST |
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| Rudysnelson | 09 Feb 2016 4:42 p.m. PST |
Providing point values for players who want equal force games as well as ToE information for historical reference.
We also included a percentage of the army limit to prevent 'Guard' only forces.
Statistics on combat abilities, special abilities and types of weapons were important.
We limit the fluff since we are old school designers unless the director wants it. Basic knowledge of the conflict was a given for older wargamers. They were an inspiration tool to encourage more individual research. |
