Tango01 | 05 Feb 2016 10:41 p.m. PST |
…Close to Russia "Referring to the recently announced US plan to quadruple its military presence in Europe, political analyst Professor Stephen F. Cohen called it an unprecedented and very dangerous provocation "We have never put our military force so close to Russia in the history going back to the 18th century," he said during the John Batchelor Show "During the last Cold War our military presence ended in West Berlin. Now we are militarily right on Russia's borders, at a minimum, in the three Baltic countries, Romania and Poland."…" Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
twawaddell | 05 Feb 2016 11:41 p.m. PST |
So he's completely forgotten about sending a brigade into Vladivostok and parts of another into Archangel in 1918? |
cwlinsj | 06 Feb 2016 1:02 a.m. PST |
Ignorant Sputnik reporting. Forgot that US and UN forces got to within 75km of Soviet border during Korean War. These were full divisions. |
Zargon | 06 Feb 2016 6:48 a.m. PST |
Start building your fallout shelters. |
GarrisonMiniatures | 06 Feb 2016 7:19 a.m. PST |
With a common border in the Arctic, must have had troops close in that area. |
Dynaman8789 | 06 Feb 2016 7:37 a.m. PST |
> o he's completely forgotten about sending a brigade into Vladivostok and parts of another into Archangel in 1918? Not part of the cold war. |
Lion in the Stars | 06 Feb 2016 8:50 a.m. PST |
@Dynaman: He comments about troops not being that close back to the 18th century. |
Bangorstu | 06 Feb 2016 9:09 a.m. PST |
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Visceral Impact Studios | 06 Feb 2016 9:35 a.m. PST |
Yup, you can see Russia from Alaska it's so close! :-D |
Tango01 | 06 Feb 2016 10:29 a.m. PST |
Are there so many troops in Alaska?… Just curious… Amicalement Armand |
GarrisonMiniatures | 06 Feb 2016 10:55 a.m. PST |
Lots of troops under the ice in that area. But yes, a few: link |
Jemima Fawr | 06 Feb 2016 10:59 a.m. PST |
Oh look, more Putin propaganda from Sputnik… So the USA never sent troops to Norway (which did and does border Russia) or Turkey (which bordered the USSR)? |
Cujoman | 06 Feb 2016 11:22 a.m. PST |
Wikipedia: "Sputnik is an international multimedia service launched on 10 November 2014 by Rossiya Segodnya, an agency wholly owned and operated by the Russian government, which was created by a Decree of the President of Russia on December 9, 2013." |
cwlinsj | 06 Feb 2016 11:48 a.m. PST |
Sputnik was created after Putin closed down free Russian press agencies and imprisoned many of their journalists. Sputnik is considered a state propaganda arm of Russia, and not a news agency. |
Mako11 | 06 Feb 2016 1:46 p.m. PST |
Is it just me, or are those nuclear armed bomber practice sorties on Scandinavian countries, and bellicose threats of nuke attacks on them more provocative? What about those little invasions, and/or occupations of Georgia, Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine? Yea, the West is being "provocative"………. Perhaps the professor needs to take another look at things, from a different angle, and put down the vodka bottle. |
Charlie 12 | 06 Feb 2016 8:04 p.m. PST |
What do expect? Its Sputnik news. They wouldn't know objective reporting if it bit them in the butt. |
ThePeninsularWarin15mm | 06 Feb 2016 9:06 p.m. PST |
"What about those little invasions, and/or occupations of Georgia, Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine?" It's quite disturbing when I see people condemn Russian media for bias and inaccuracy and then see the same person spout easily disproven American propaganda as if it were the Gospel. Georgia murders Russian troops and American media just lies and says it's the opposite. The truth comes out, but people don't care, they heard the original lie. Years later the lie is still believed and can still be verified as a lie. Crimea votes to secede after the legally elected government is overthrown and they then vote to join Russia. American media lies and says it was captured. Donetsk and Lugansk want to also break free and they can't. I suspect with your views America was evil to secede from Britain and you'd want to enlist in a loyalist regiment. Sputnik News may be second rate propaganda, but sadly you're buying the Fox News version and you either don't know it or just don't care. |
Dynaman8789 | 06 Feb 2016 9:28 p.m. PST |
> @Dynaman: He comments about troops not being that close back to the 18th century. But I was responding to the title and first line! |
Mako11 | 06 Feb 2016 9:38 p.m. PST |
I seem to recall Russia murdering a few Georgians and Crimean/Ukrainians too, in those conflicts, and their armored vehicles are/were outside of Russia, in the aforementioned countries which were invaded, comrade. |
Tango01 | 06 Feb 2016 11:05 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the info my friend. (smile) Amicalement Armand |
Ghostrunner | 07 Feb 2016 12:26 p.m. PST |
"What about those little invasions, and/or occupations of Georgia, Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine?"It's quite disturbing when I see people condemn Russian media for bias and inaccuracy and then see the same person spout easily disproven American propaganda as if it were the Gospel. Georgia murders Russian troops and American media just lies and says it's the opposite. The truth comes out, but people don't care, they heard the original lie. Years later the lie is still believed and can still be verified as a lie. Crimea votes to secede after the legally elected government is overthrown and they then vote to join Russia. American media lies and says it was captured. Donetsk and Lugansk want to also break free and they can't. I suspect with your views America was evil to secede from Britain and you'd want to enlist in a loyalist regiment. Sputnik News may be second rate propaganda, but sadly you're buying the Fox News version and you either don't know it or just don't care.
I remember going through this when '300' hit the theaters. Some groups were up in arms about it portraying ancient Persia as a bunch of bloodthirsty invaders. As one news host asked… where was the historic battle fought? And why were the Persians there, exactly? |
cwlinsj | 07 Feb 2016 2:48 p.m. PST |
I don't see how media can be biased if they accurately report Russia breaking their agreement to honor Ukraine soveriegnity, or when they walk away from nuke accords. IIRC, I read that on BBC, not Fox. |
paulgenna | 07 Feb 2016 3:20 p.m. PST |
It's coming from a professor so you need to examine the real facts. Most professors do not think they make mistakes. |
Mako11 | 07 Feb 2016 11:23 p.m. PST |
Interestingly, Fox reported the same info. |
ScottS | 08 Feb 2016 8:35 a.m. PST |
disproven American propaganda I think you might be surprised at how little the average American cares about Russia. |
Jemima Fawr | 08 Feb 2016 10:47 a.m. PST |
TPW, Fox News is a private company. Sputnik (and pretty much all Russian media organisations) are organs of the Russian State and/or Putin himself. |
Legion 4 | 08 Feb 2016 4:02 p.m. PST |
you might be surprised at how little the average American cares about Russia. You can add more than Russia to that list. Most Americans know or care little about anything Geo-political. And couldn't find many locations mentioned in the world news. |
Sulaco | 10 Feb 2016 3:27 a.m. PST |
I'm sure if Trump gets in, our friends over the water will learn more about the rest of the world! |
Virginia Tory | 10 Feb 2016 8:28 a.m. PST |
>So he's completely forgotten about sending a brigade into Vladivostok and parts of another into Archangel in 1918? We sent an entire Regiment to Archangel. They joined up with British, French and Canadian troops (as well as anti-Bolshevik forces) and fought quite a few engagements. We sent 2 Regiments to Vladivostok (27th and 31st), including detachments from the 8th ID. That situation involved more patrolling and security and was a lot less "kinetic," shall we say. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 10 Feb 2016 9:03 a.m. PST |
It's all part of the plan. Deploying forces close to Russia is not just intended to put the anxieties of our European allies to rest but also to fuel Russian paranoia of the "enemy at their gates," forcing them to increase their defense expenditure. Why? So Think Tanks like the Council of Foreign Affairs and the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Think Tank Complex can continue to justify the need for more defense spending to counter the Russian threat. |
lincolnlog | 10 Feb 2016 2:31 p.m. PST |
Most people may not remember this, but during the end of the Cold War the Army stood up the 6th Arctic Division. Then is deactivated in the early 90's. Shortest non-war time division activation in history, I believe. |
lincolnlog | 10 Feb 2016 2:36 p.m. PST |
By the way, I always thought and still do think the US went overboard in reducing USAEUR. The units in West Germany would have remained a viable deterrent without having large numbers of troops in Poland and other east European nations. Those countries are NATO clients, so there is an obligation. But, primarily, those troop are there training other countries forces. |
Legion 4 | 10 Feb 2016 5:06 p.m. PST |
I remember the 6ID. Knew some who served there. The 1st Stryker BCT + a Bn of the 509th ABN that is currently based in AK, is a good force, IMO. |
lincolnlog | 11 Feb 2016 10:39 a.m. PST |
When 10th Mountain and 6th Arctic were activated we had an Army with 18 active Divisions. 4 Armored, 7 Mech, 7 Motorized or Light. There were also multiple separate brigades. Hard to believe how large the Cold War Army grew to be. |
Legion 4 | 11 Feb 2016 1:04 p.m. PST |
Yes, I remember all the units in West Germany. Plus those in SE Asia as that conflict escalated. |
Charlie 12 | 11 Feb 2016 3:58 p.m. PST |
I wouldn't be that worried over bear riding bozo Putin's buildup. He can't afford even half the toys he wants. And with oil cratering at under $27 USD a barrel, its only going to get worse for him. |