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ironicon | 04 Feb 2016 1:09 p.m. PST |
What color would the uniform be? Khaki? I've got a bunch on order from Old Glory. |
79thPA | 04 Feb 2016 1:23 p.m. PST |
Generally khaki. There was also an older dark blue uniform, as well as a white tropical uniform. Years ago I painted a mix of straight khakis, as well as mixed uniforms. |
ironicon | 04 Feb 2016 1:47 p.m. PST |
Thanks! Not sure what you mean by "mixed". |
mghFond | 04 Feb 2016 2:23 p.m. PST |
Mixed to me would mean some troops are in khaki, some in white, dark blue, etc. Or maybe a few have khaki jackets but blue trousers. My federale troops are mostly in khaki but I have a few in white and an occasional officer in dress blues. I used Old Glory figs too.
Here are some mixed I found on the net. |
Zargon | 04 Feb 2016 3:26 p.m. PST |
Wonder if Federales could be made using current plastics available? ie, Perrys ACW or Warlords WW2 kits. Have seen some great kit bashes using plastic figure kits. |
jurgenation | 04 Feb 2016 6:14 p.m. PST |
There is a Osprey book on the Mexican Revolution. |
79thPA | 04 Feb 2016 6:54 p.m. PST |
@mgh: Yes, you are correct. A Federale might have a blue blouse and khaki pants, or a khaki blouse and white pants, etc. |
sloophmsstarling | 04 Feb 2016 8:37 p.m. PST |
Here's a second vote for the Osprey Elite book, The Mexican Revolution 1910 – 20, number 137. There are eight color plates with three or four different "uniforms" on each plate, representing the various armies in the different periods. There is a wide variety of choices and figures painted along these lines are going to look great on the table! At some point in the future, I plan to graduate from a map exercise type of game using with stands as counters into a full-up game using stands with miniatures. When I get to that point, I'll be using my Osprey book as a guide for having the figures painted. |
Jeff Caruso | 04 Feb 2016 8:39 p.m. PST |
Hmm. My last post didn't show up. Uniforms could be green as well and sun helmets were common.Some would wear sandals. The mix and match were mire common for officers than enlisted. |
ironicon | 05 Feb 2016 8:45 a.m. PST |
Thanks for all the input. I'm looking forward to this project with a lot of excitement. |
Henry Martini | 05 Feb 2016 9:08 p.m. PST |
You need 'Notes on the Mexican Army 1900 – 1920', available from OMM. This has as much detail on Mexican federal uniforms as is available in English. Sadly, there's virtually no precise information on the costume and uniforms of state troops/militia, rurales infantry, and the assorted federal national guard, auxiliary, and militia units that were raised during the conflict. On the upside, this does give you some leeway for creative figure selection and painting. For instance, you could use the Foundry Old West Mexican regulars as state or national guard troops in outmoded uniforms armed with obsolete single-shot rifles. Paint their tunics blue or white and their trousers white. The Old Glory figures are depicted in the 1913 single-breasted pocketed tunic, which was produced only in white or khaki. At this time the only blue tunic in use by federal regulars would have been the 1898 double-breasted cool weather pattern, as depicted on the EWM 20mm federal infantry (although to be accurate it shouldn't be paired with the 1913 model peaked cap). So you shouldn't be painting those OG federales tunics blue. Otherwise, it's entirely reasonable to mix white and khaki items of clothing on the same federal regular figure. Although green was the colour of at least one revolutionary bodyguard unit's uniform, I've seen no evidence for clothing of that colour being worn by any federal troops in this period. |
Jeff Caruso | 06 Feb 2016 8:42 a.m. PST |
Rurales wore a grey uniform if I recall.Villa's El Dorado in a brown corduroy with Montana peak sombreros. The best reference sourse, only in b&w unfortunately is Historia Grafica Dr la Revolution Mexicana by Casasola, text in Spanish. Shows officers in all manner of uniform variables. Pictures of Villistas, Zapatistas, Federales,Soldaderas, Yaqui Indians, artillery, trains, practically everything that took part in the Revolution. I have two sets (vols II-IV) beginning in 1914 through 1960. Tried to find value of the sets recently but the only thing I could find was Vol 4 for $75. USD Mine are hard bound. There was a paperback for $250 USD but is not available anymore. |
Henry Martini | 06 Feb 2016 8:31 p.m. PST |
Some rurales wore grey, some brown, and some (perhaps mainly those hastily raised from former 1910-11 revolutionaries)had no uniform other than possibly an armband and/or hatband. Of course, for wargame purposes you'd want them in their picturesque uniform to utilise the figures that are available and better distinguish them from revolutionaries. Officers seem to have had a great deal of freedom in their choice of uniform, and indeed many opted for one of the the dark blue single-breasted pre-1913 patterns. |
Botch B | 25 Mar 2016 3:29 a.m. PST |
No one seems to have mentioned the grey uniform proposed at one point but only ever adopted by officers? "According to Hefter, 1905 officer's Field, ie Campaign, uniforms were to be Prussian-style in lead-grey in place of the blue-black Service and Full Dress uniforms. The round-top peaked cap had a Mexican cockade, red/white/green (outer to centre), on the front above a rank badge on a black patch on the cinch band, black peak and straps and a small yellow metal button either side. The tunic had standing collar (above which stiff white collars were visible), two flapped breast pockets (just the flaps showing, ie the pockets themselves are internal not patch, six brass yellow metal buttons, rank shoulder bars of black with yellow metal frames and insignia. The breeches were Jodhpur-style and worn inside black butcher boots, the latter having white metal spurs on a black leather strap for mounted officers. All belting was black, with yellow metal fittings; the waistbelt had a Sam Brown strap attached to the right hip and going over the left shoulder. The sabre was suspended from a white metal hook on a small leather pad, and hung by a single white metal chain, in a white metal scabbard, with white metal guard. The grip was black and the sword knot black leather with yellow metal tassels and slider. Over the right shoulder hung a binocular case from a narrow strap, both in black leather with yellow metal fittings." There was also an olive green uniform: "The Field uniform (also worn as Garrison dress) was described as ‘lead grey' in the regulations, but what was actually adopted was what would now be called ‘khaki', in an olive-greenish shade. Some officers did in fact have new uniforms made in a lead-grey colour, which they appear to have continued to wear. Both were similar in cut to the Service uniform. The field uniform headgear was either a khaki peaked service cap identical to the FD version or a cork helmet. The helmet was of a British colonial type, covered with olive green canvas, the front visor lined with green, a ventilator on top and a brown patent leather chinstrap. The coat and trousers were olive green, with five paste buttons, two buttoned breast pockets, a turnover collar, and buttoned shoulder straps. (Hefter) While on duty, infantry officers wore a black leather pistol holster ‘suspended from the left shoulder' and a sabre supported by a single chain from a yellow metal buckled black leather waistbelt. The sword knot was black leather with a small gold tassel. Officers wore brown leather leggings, while the men wore canvas gaiters. Open leather sandals over bare feet were worn by the rank and file for fatigue duty or on long marches. The campaign uniform was not to have branch-of-service trim, the branch being identified by a badge on the cap or helmet front. The branch-of-service em¬blem, for infantry an upright bugle over two crossed rifles for infantry, painted green, was worn on the front of the helmet, with the unit number above. On parade the cork helmet was to have a metal national eagle above the service emblem and a metal spike on the top, but these two items do not appear to have been issued. A dark grey overcoat was also part of the uniform, but how many men were issued with one remains an open question–but there is a photo of the fighting in Veracruz which shows one. The overcoat and a grey-black blanket with wide black stripes 8 inches from the edges were to be strapped around 3 sides of a brown waterproof, leather-edged canvas knapsack, together with a dark brown tent cloth. The blanket was also carried rolled and slung across the chest and back over the left shoulder. All belts were dark brown cowhide; the bayonet frog was worn on the left. A tin canteen, nested with a cup and two plates, was suspended at the right side from a leather strap. On campaign, especially on the coast, the men wore either the cork helmet or the olive green cap, with the white blouse, trousers, and gaiters. Often the trousers and underpants were worn turned up to the middle of the calf. As the conflict progressed the peaked cap became more and more common. Initially, this might be the dark blue Service or Garrison version, but later olive green or khaki was more prevalent. In the field the basic uniform was the khaki tunic and trousers, the latter often rolled up below the knee showing the ‘white' underwear, generally with a broad-brimmed hat with the crown creased into a lemon-squeezer style or just creased fore-and-aft, in a similar colour. Infantry and artillery often worn brown leather gaiters, boots or sandals, and cavalry wore boots." |
11th ACR | 25 Mar 2016 5:34 p.m. PST |
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