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crogge175704 Feb 2016 9:47 a.m. PST

If you like, see some images of my new Saxon "Quick Firer" battalion gun on my Blog.
I took the effort in order to furnish my Saxons with a rather authentic looking piece.

It may serve to encourage anyone fielding 28 mm WAS or 7YW Saxons to do likewise. You just need to have one or more of those eccentric looking pieces.

Cheers,
Christian
crogges7ywarmies.blogspot.de

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2016 9:55 a.m. PST

A beautiful piece.

Chokidar04 Feb 2016 9:59 a.m. PST

Sales of Foundry Russian Medium guns should sky-rocket.

Lovely work Christian and thanks for the inspiration.

P.S. Have you ever come across the name Louis Hollard? He is credited with being Swiss and having served both in Prussia and Denmark before ending up in Portugal where according to a French source he invented a revolutionary light mountain gun noted for its accuracy and efficiency.
Apart from this I have been unable to discover anything about either him or his invention. Would you have any ideas?

Supercilius Maximus04 Feb 2016 10:00 a.m. PST

Very nicely done.

Always liked Saxon artillery because of the colour scheme for the tube and carriage. Do you know when that scheme was first used, btw? I'm mainly interested in 1670-1700.

Costanzo104 Feb 2016 10:08 a.m. PST

Great!

crogge175704 Feb 2016 1:31 p.m. PST

Thanks guys.
@ Chokidar,
No, I'm afraid I never came across the name Louis Hollard.
@ Supercilius Maximus,
I can say that the Saxon author Flemming in his notorious "Der vollkommene Teutsche Soldat etc." published 1726 already mentions Saxon guns were furnished black with yellow metal. This certainly accounts for the period of the wars against Charles XII of Sweden.

Supercilius Maximus04 Feb 2016 2:50 p.m. PST

So from at least 1700, then? Thank you.

von Winterfeldt04 Feb 2016 11:28 p.m. PST

Very nice, you opted to paint the iron metal – in yellow, I always asked myself – maybe those parts were of brass itsef?

What is your conclusion on this??

crogge175705 Feb 2016 5:14 a.m. PST

No, I'm near certain they used iron for the carriages' metal sheeting. Brass would have been much more costly. There are original Saxon fortress guns on display in the Saxon Königstein museum that also all have iron sheets furnished yellow.

Musketier05 Feb 2016 6:29 p.m. PST

@ SM since black and gold are the colours of the Saxon coat of arms, it is probably safe to assume that they were used from fairly early on.

Supercilius Maximus06 Feb 2016 3:54 a.m. PST

Thanks. I was aware of that, but my reluctance in using it was that Bavarian artillery was long thought to have always been blue-grey, as in the FRW/Napoleonic era. It was only recently that it was shown to have been red (lead oxide) during the NYW and WSS periods – possibly even later – following the display of a small piece in the army museum in Ingoldstadt and subsequent research. That said, the Danes appear to have used red and brass from the very start.

von Winterfeldt08 Feb 2016 3:10 a.m. PST

@crogge1757

Seemingly I misstook the worn and dirtied yellow painted iron parts of the original piece in the Zeughaus Koppenhagen to be of brass – the Königstein pieces are most likley Re – painted?

crogge175710 Feb 2016 3:56 a.m. PST

@ von Winterfeldt,

Yes, the Königstein pieces have seen restoration – but I believe it is based on the historic pattern.

Cheers,
Christian
crogges7ywarmies.blogspot.de

dbf167610 Feb 2016 8:52 a.m. PST

What other guns are good for Hanoverians?

crogge175710 Feb 2016 2:53 p.m. PST

@db1676,
I am not familiar with the entire range of distributers supplying guns for 28 mm range. I know some. From among these, Front Rank 18th C. guns should provide a smart match 3-pdr (the long barrel version). Their 6-pdr is too short. The Hannoverian 6-pdr was a heavy field gun 27 shot long or 244 cm (near 44 mm at 1:56 scale) It may sound odd but I would turn my attention to models for the period of 1700 or even ECW. Last November I purchased some nice models from Warfare Miniatures – their League of Augsburg range. They have a nice medium gun that makes a fine Hannoverian 6-pdr. I bought two models and I think of using the barrels. They are really nice. Their heavy position gun is way too long for a Hannoverian SYW 12-pdr. I know of no model existing. I only have a single piece to this size. Its my Hessian gun which is from an Austrian foundry named Dietz. They don't sell online. Front Rank also has the right howitzer. An 8 inch class piece. Fine enough. Hannoverians did not have any field howitzers, just heavy siege work pieces. Only the British supplied 5.5 inch pieces for the Allied Army. All British manned.

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