"New to me, sample modern divisional conflict" Topic

I noticed that Panzer Korps has a new supplement covering modern divisional combat.

Since I'm not familiar with the modern conflicts, I thought I'd drop by here for some insight into the possibilities. What would be a good modern conflict (fictional or real) to cover with these rules? I'm curious about British/US/German equipment since my forces and books have been about WW2 so far.

The base unit in PK is armored or infantry battalions divided into company stands, if it matters.

Cold War gone hot in Europe would be a good one.

You can't go wrong looking at the following for Orbats for everything you'll need for that scale.

link

Yes, WW3, Arab-Israeli Wars (esp 67 and 73), GW1, India/Pakistan – done them all with operational rules.

The Six Day War in Sinai is quite doable as a single game, done that a few times.

How do I read the Orbats with two dots instead of lines? I can read lines (companies, battalions, regiments) but I don't know what the dots stand for above the nato symbol?

Dots are teams, sections and platoons (on the old style icons, the new ones are just gibberish to me).

. team/crew
.. section
… platoon

X brigade
XX division
XX corps

IainAF,
Are those ORBATS specific for that game? they seemed quite good until I got down to company level and it was saying 7 vehicles for US armored company. Was a little confused there.

bpmaster,
I don't have any experience with the rules you are using, but if you are interested in US/UK/Ger troops and want to play conventional battles that the other side has a chance of winning (see my 1st gulf thread, lol) you are pretty much limited to Cold War in Europe.
Micromark makes army lists, they are about $1.5 USD per. NATO troops cross attached platoons in companies, WARPAC companies in regiments or battalions, to form combined arms task forces.
In ww2 parlance think the US combat commands in the armored divisions, except push them down to company level. remove a platoon of tanks, get a platoon of armored rifles.
WW3 division lists for the 80's (ish) in brigade/coy format, here goes.
US Army (changing organization and equipment throughout this period)
Armored or Mech Inf division
(difference is Armd has 2 armd brigades 1 mech brigade, swap that for Inf)
Div HQ in M557 (looks like a pregnant m113)
ARMORED BRIGADE:
HQ in M557
2x Armored Battalions of:
HQ (I don't know how your rules handle this, but recon, mortars and AA are here)
4x Tank companies (3 platoons each, call them M1's (105mm))
1x Mech Battalion of:
HQ (again, supports are held here)
4x Mech Infantry coy (3 platoons each, M2 Bradley IFV)
1x AT Company (3 platoons, M901 ITV. M113 with TOW missiles)
MECH BRIGADE:
HQ in M557
1x Armored Battalion (as above)
2x Mech Battalions (as above)
(again, 2 brigades of the division type, and 1 of the other)
Division Support:
1xARTILLERY BRIGADE:
HQ
2x Artillery Battalions of 4x gun sections (m109)
1x Heavy Arty Battalion of 3x gun sections (m110)
1x Rocket Battalion of 3x rocket sections (MLRS)
1X ANTI AIR BATTALION
HQ
3x AA batteries (3 platoons each)
1X ENGINEER BATTALION:
HQ
1x Bridging company
1x counter/mobility section
3x Engineer coys
1X AVIATION BRIGADE: (this one is confusing, it has tanks)
1x Armored Cavalry squadron (read battalion) of
HQ
2x Cavalry troops (read company, has mortars, tanks, and M3 Bradleys)
And then a crapload of helicopters.
2x Air Cavalry Troops of
1x apache platoon (? i don't know if they are called platoons)
2x Kiowa Platoons
3x attack helicopter battalions of
3x companies of
2x apache platoon
1x kiowa platoon

there is also a combat support aviation battalion, but these are on LOC duties and not available for combat.

If that is helpful I can type up the Russians later. they are a little more complicated.

7 vehicles per US Armored company sounds like 1 vehicle is 1 section of 2 actual tracks.

Though that game is way above where I like to play.

That sounds about right Lion. I don't know why I didn't think of that…
I'm all over the place with my gaming. I like platoon skirmishes up to having Divisions on the table with 3mm Modern Spearhead.

So wait does Battlefront WW2 do moderns as well? I'm always on the lookout for another modern set.

The modern items are from customers. Information, charts, etc. can be found on their modern forum
link
The rules were originally intended for modern -titled First Echelon. There is a thread discussing producing that version of the rules.
a free version of the modern rules is available on their site at
link see top of page

The Fire & Fury/Battlefront: WW2 orbats are indeed written for the 'level 'of the Battlefront: WW2 rules, where each vehicle/gun model represents 2-3 real ones and each infantry stand represents a section/squad.