"Brunswick Chasseurs at Sararoga in 15mm" Topic

What uniforms did the Brunswick Chasseurs detachment under Barber wear?

And what would be the mid suitable figures to represent them, ideally pp or Essex.

Thanks

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This is a good start

I think B6GOBOS meant this one for his second link:-

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Standard jaeger iniform. Green with red linings.
Jaeger/Chasseurs are interchangeable terms for the same thing.

I don't think someone wanting 15 mm would have much luck with Perry Miniatures! But maybe you mean the information on the troops.

Besides the PP and Essex, look at Polly Oliver (not sure), Stone Mountain miniatures, Musket Miniatures if they come back in to production, and Blue Moon Manufacturing – oh, and Freikorps.

Also, the chasseurs would NOT be wearing jaeger uniforms. They were really just musketeers pressed into service as 'light' troops.

So, for most of the "light battalion" (under Barner, not Barber, by the way), will be musketeer figures with maybe 1/4 of the figures as jaegers.

Google around the web, there is a lot of information about the German contingents.

Thanks for the correction. Yes that is what I wanted to post. Really should not try this while at work :)

Every source I have read says the Chasseurs and jaegers were the same thing.

Mollo shows Von Barner as a musketeer, without lapels. The jaegers were in the same battalion but with standard jaeger uniforms.
Interestingly, Mollo also shows a light infantry contingent from the Von Riedesel regiment, wearing standard musketeer uniform but with an interesting light infantry cap. I don't recall if the text mentions them as Chasseurs but I'm at work too.

But to reiterate what I said, I really believe that Chasseurs = jaegers.

I have not worked in the 7YW western theater for over 15 years, but I seem to remember from Pengel & Hurt that Brunswick furnished a mixed unit of 1 jaeger to 2 musketeers, possibly 3 companies, to the Duke of Brunswick's western allies to Frederick. This seems a very sensible deployment, allowing the jaegers to fire at longest range, with musketeers loaded and ready to protect them if the enemy advanced.

I once considered adding a 3-man jaeger unit to each of my 6-man light companies of the 2nd Nassau, 4th Baden, Frankfurt, and Hessen Erb Prinz battalions in Spain in the Napoleonic era. A great way to counter the many rifles of the Allies!

GseP

I have not worked in the 7YW

Wrong war. This is AWI.

My point was that the Brunswickers in the 7YW were organized 2 musketeers to 1 jaeger, and this may have carried through to the AMI, topic at hand.

GdeP

I'm going to try that organization the next time in use von Barner in an AWI game.

Winston, I labored under that misconception for a long time but they are not the same. Grade de Paris is approximately correct for the AWI, at least the Brunswick contingent.

We will agree to disagree then.

The Light Battalion von Barner was raised in Brunswick, from men posted (one can only wonder how willingly) from units that were to remain behind after the division left for America. The unit comprised four companies of musketeers and one of jaeger; the latter was commanded initially by Captain Schottelius and later by Captain Geyso, or Gaiso.

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The term "chasseur" was given to all light troops at some point during this time, as French was the "lingua franca" of the military professional (and also the only common language between the British and Germans). Winston is right that it was applied to jaeger at various times during the AWI – Howe refers to the service of the "chasseurs" (particularly Ewald's and Wreden's companies) when he leaves America. However, it is worth noting that Ewald does not use that term in the (original) German version of his diary. The term could also be applied to other formations armed with muskets as well, and even to mounted troops – viz. Emmerich's Chasseurs, composed initially of one company each of light infantry, riflemen, and light dragoons (both the lights and rifles were also mounted).

As regards the formation of "chasseur" companies among the non-Hesse Cassel German units in America, it is quite likely that this post-dates the Saratoga campaign and refers to the Brunswick troops left behind in Canada (plus any escapees and reinforcements) forming "light" companies to take part in raids etc, as their Hesse Cassel compatriots did further south.

And what would be the mid suitable figures to represent them, ideally pp or Essex.

The musketeer companies of Lt Bn von Barner wore lapel-less coats and an aiguilette (forget which shoulder). I would look at either Peter Pig, or else the Frei Korps Seven Years' War range, primarily the Hannoverians (Legion Britannique infantry).