"Quatre Bras 1815" Topic

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10 out of 10 for your enthusiasm.

Do you know that your Union flags are upside down?

Looks like fun!

I do not have any union miniatures you are mistaken

Always good to see the airfix boys getting a day out!

I think JimDuncan is referring to the Union Jack (British) flag. Or was your response in jest?
Either way, thanks for sharing.

Looks like fun. Surprised the French did not try to push harder early to take advantage of their advantage before British reinforcements showed up.

@noigrim

Here is one of your pictures.

There are two flags in the picture.

The nearer flag is called the 'Union flag' and is the red, white and blue amalgamation of St Georges Cross, St Patricks Cross and St Andrews cross. It is commonly called a Union Jack but to be accurate it can only be called a 'jack' if it is flown on a ship. It is the national flag of the United Kingdom or Great Britain.

The further flag is the 'Regimental flag' and is mostly in the facing colour of the regiment concerned. The upper quadrant adjacent to the flag pole is the Union flag in miniature.

However, if the regiment is a Guard regiment then these flags would be reversed.

In both cases of your flags above the Union component is upside down and in the case of the Union flag would be considered a distress signal.

I don't see what you are saying all the flags are right, with the small union near the flagpole and the regimental shields in the regimental flags upright

you just need to check in google
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a pair of glasses would surelly help

Thank you Senor

Your Google links are correct, your flags, however, are wrong, you need to look at them more closely.

Look at the diagonals.

This video should help.

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If you look at this picture you can see that the upper diagonal nearest the flag pole has white on top of red.

The flag in your battle report is not "upside down" but the flag pole is on the wrong end of it if take my meaning.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Bob

Thanks Bob

Your additional explanation helps a lot. The picture in the post is not clear enough to show whether the regimental crests are the correct way round or not.

If they are the correct way round then the flagpole is clearly on the wrong end of the flag.

If these flags are commercially made then the company concerned has some explaining to do.

Looking more closely at this link:

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The Coldstream Guards flag shows the same divergence from my understanding.

Hopefully someone who is considered to be an expert in this matter will come along and clarify everything.

BTW, I think this are great conversions as the Airfix set did not have any flag bearers and the ESCI ones are poor. I recently got my old airfix guys down from the attic and am loath to cut them up for conversions at this point for sentimental reasons. Should have done it back in the 80's

Here are the flags that I used, they are flawless and historically accurate

Stop.your.pointless.whining

the flag pole at the wrong end? for real? The flags are waving forwards and

See how a flag needs to be reversed on each side of the pole like the image in a mirror?

The gent who made your flags cut and paste the Union flag's cross so the the left hand version of each of those flags is wrong.

If you don't mind, at least now you know.

Bob

No, I'm sorry but the flags above have the errors that I am trying to point out to you.

I will stop trying to advise you as you do not appear to understand what I am saying. I am presuming that English is not your first language so I will not try to find another form of words that explains the problem more clearly.

I will attempt to contact the flag making company, hopefully they will be more amenable to correcting the errors in their product.

Please do not suggest that I am stupid as this may get you into trouble with the TMP administrators.

Thanks for your additional comments Bob.

You clearly understand the situation.

all this for so little a detail, unbelievable

No one is telling you to change it. Just pointing out that you have an upside down flag for the UK.

Some might consider that offensive.

Do you have something against education? You have learned something that apparently you did no know before yes?

I appreciated this! I had no idea.

TMP is a great place to bring out the odd little 'expert' comment to clarify a detail here and there.

It's a pity that some people take the pursuit of accuracy as pointless whining.

What is the point of discussing details if corrections are not welcome.

I am now in discussion with the flag makers and hopefully can identify a resolution.

That's it I'm not posting more napoleonics here

A really good example of 'Old School' wargaming.

Thanks to noigrim for the post. I *would* like to see more so I hope he continues to post here at TMP.

I can see both point here but noigrim immediately took offense. If the other party had no interest other than saying he is wrong then there would have been fault. Instead we have a moment on here where we as a community were sharing knowledge and educating, if you cannot take careful constructive criticism then perhaps you should avoid posting. I would have loved this guiding hand when I started in horse and musket.

I would strongly encourage noigrim to continue posting his battle reports and anything else related to miniature gaming.

I have made many posts in the past including the occasional error or misunderstanding and have greatly benefitted from the combined knowledge of the TMP community.

So, noigrim, you haven't declared your real name so I can't make a personal appeal to you please keep on posting as this is how TMP gets better and better.

Honestly the fellow bought flags and has a right to expect them to be correct, especially considering the amount of work that nogrim put into terrain and uniform painting.

Don't know about you all but having an incorrect national flag is not an error like painting the wrong the number of buttons on a sleeve.

Could you imagine a tricolour set up red, white, blue from the pole. Would it be impolite to point out the error?

If I made a mistake like that I should hope someone would point it out.

And as I wrote before no one is asking him to change anything, it was just a learning experience.

If someone doesn't want responses to their work they ought not to post it where folks have an opportunity to comment on it.

Normally I am sympathetic to folks getting their feelings hurt but nogrim's responses were vitriolic from the start.

Bob

Well done to TMP and Jim Duncan, you have spotted and identified a manufacturers mistake, with extra knowledge for some thrown in. Its only a small mistake but a significant one because its about a nations flag.
I think Mr noigrim may need to look at his anger management.

Thanks TG

Thanks for all that input. I did not know that about the flags. I would not have noticed it.

Robert

anger management.

Maybe. But I think it more likely that the whole sorry mess was the result of reading more into posts than the writer intended.

Jim Duncan's (an absolute gentleman) first post *could* be read in a negative way. I'm sure that was not his intention. I think it snowballed from there.

I truly doubt if this thread was a "live" conversation at the pub, it would have gone this way.

As to why the, thicker white diagonal should be on the top I was taught that it was because the St Andrews Cross has precedence over the St Patrick's cross.

I am now wondering if I can remember how to fold the flag, so it unfurls with one pull of the rope.

I doubt I would notice such errors in another nations flag so I hope noigrim carries on posting, I read Jims post in a positive way.

It took me a couple of "double takes" to see the issue on the manufacturer's flags. Wow – it is a subtle error. Good catch – and I would have put them on the pole myself and missed it.

That thread went downhill fast…

Wider white fimbriation of the saltire uppermost at the hoist; what could be simpler than that…? ;)

If anyone's interested, one of the KGL battalions got the regs wrong with their King's colour – spot the 'deliberate mistake' in this photo: link

It look exactly like the error I have been trying to highlight.

Crappy photograph though!

I think the photo might be an old one.

Well, i reckon the first reaponse did read rude, so i can see how it went downhill. Educating is a noble intent, but the wording could have been better IMHO

For eg "great game etc. Blah blah blah. And by the way, looking at the flags they sem to be slightly wrong. Where did you get them from?" Or somesuch

Esp as the OP is not using his native language.

I must admit that i would hope people point out my mistakes, but perhaps not immediately. I reckon most gamers would struggle to spit the printing error in the table, and i bet they still fight well

So to the OP i say. Looks good, thanks for posting

And looking at the linked pictures in detail there are a host of "errors" but i think the core game looks good. Alays nice to see Naps played, and looking at the rest of the blog i have the feeling that Naps is not his primary period, so good to see him trying the period and having a great game.

Marc

Calm down kids

J

Are their shoe strings tied correctly?

Always great to see 1/72 plastic figures. Bravo. Hope you had a good time with them.