Editor in Chief Bill | 07 Dec 2015 7:24 p.m. PST |
Have you ever cheated while playing a miniature wargame? |
Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut | 07 Dec 2015 7:31 p.m. PST |
I have gone so far as to make loaded dice to roll 3s and 4s, all I needed to hit, wound, and save with an Eldar army. I mixed them in wirh my regular dice, which hate me. I still lost horribly, because all of the non-loaded dice only rolled 1s and 2s. This, by the way, with the knowledge and consent of my opponent, as a proof of the general suckitude of my dice rolling. |
Pictors Studio | 07 Dec 2015 8:02 p.m. PST |
When I have GM'd games with new players I've fudged the rules a bit to make up for deficiencies in their decision making when they didn't know the rules. So when I've cheated it has been in my opponents favour. In RPGs, as the GM, I cheated all the time. |
Rich Bliss | 07 Dec 2015 8:03 p.m. PST |
Not as far as you know. 😜 |
myxemail | 07 Dec 2015 8:14 p.m. PST |
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Ragbones | 07 Dec 2015 8:20 p.m. PST |
No. Not intentionally. But a great friend of mind takes great pains to tell everybody about the Rorke's Drift games I ran that seemed to end up as a bloodbath for the Brits whenever he played that side. It turned out that I kept omitting a key rule. Doh! |
Winston Smith | 07 Dec 2015 8:22 p.m. PST |
Of course. And anybody who denies it is a liar. |
Buck215 | 07 Dec 2015 8:28 p.m. PST |
The idiot I play against cheats all the time, yet has the chutzpah to deny it! I game solo… |
Mako11 | 07 Dec 2015 8:34 p.m. PST |
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IronDuke596 | 07 Dec 2015 8:38 p.m. PST |
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abelp01 | 07 Dec 2015 8:43 p.m. PST |
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Cyrus the Great | 07 Dec 2015 8:49 p.m. PST |
Why would I, it's just a game played for fun. |
D A THB | 07 Dec 2015 8:55 p.m. PST |
Is it cheating or gamesmanship? I used to encounter it all the time when playing tournaments but which everyone else seemed to accept. |
redbanner4145 | 07 Dec 2015 9:00 p.m. PST |
Only when I'm playing solo. |
raylev3 | 07 Dec 2015 9:44 p.m. PST |
My wife told me that if I ever cheated she'd divorce me and take all my money. |
USAFpilot | 07 Dec 2015 9:47 p.m. PST |
I've watched a few games at conventions and occasionally seen a unit move just a little bit more then measured with the ruler. I don't think it was all out cheating but just a little over exuberance on part of the player in getting his unit moved up. Kind of funny to watch. I think table top games in which unit movement is done with a ruler or tape measure tend have this problem that hex based or grid based games don't have. To me, cheating would take the fun out of winning. When/if I win, I like to delude myself that it was due to my superior strategy. ;-) |
Bashytubits | 07 Dec 2015 9:59 p.m. PST |
Wow Winston, not everyone cheats no matter how vehement you are about it. Now anyone who claims to have never lied, that will cause me roll my eyes. |
wrgmr1 | 07 Dec 2015 11:10 p.m. PST |
Sometimes, if I and/or others have forgotten the rules and I do something illegal, then it is what….unknowledgeable cheating. Otherwise no, never intentionally. I have far too much respect for my fellow gamer to do something like that. However, I will point out a cheating move of my opponent. I have on occasion felt rather bad for not pointing out a glaring error my opponent is making, thus ensuring I will win. I have on many occasions told them of this error, so that the game may continue. I have always felt it is best to be a gentleman in games rather than the opposite. |
javelin98 | 07 Dec 2015 11:35 p.m. PST |
Well, that's why I'm divorced. Wait, what? Oh… |
AussieAndy | 07 Dec 2015 11:36 p.m. PST |
Why would you? I suspect that those who choose to cheat care way too much whether they win or lose. That is likely to manifest itself in other sorts of undesirable behaviour before you even get to the issue of cheating. By avoiding gaming with the obnoxious, I suspect that you are likely to avoid most of those who will cheat. The folk that I game with are generally at pains to do the right thing. |
hocklermp5 | 08 Dec 2015 1:01 a.m. PST |
I cheated myself once in a solo game when my "leader" figure got killed in the first exchange of fire. As he was very successful leading a rebellion in previous games I had become quite fond of him so I ignored his death. Needless to say in subsequent games the rebellion was crushed while I kept the "leader" safe in the rear with the gear. I ended up only playing solo because I was unfortunate enough to play against people who took it all way too seriously. If they were winning all was happiness but if losing they became hostile and would argue every throw that went against them. And they would flat out cheat. My "best friend" had AMX-30 tanks that the rules we were using gave ridiculous powers too. Had to be a typo but this guy latched onto the numbers as gospel. So he won most games with his "super tanks". Finally I established a multi-layered AT defense starting with jeep-mounted 106mm recoilless rifles, dug in M-48s, and 105s in an AT role. The dice were with me and AMX-30s were slaughtered. He became infuriated and started cheating so blatantly that I suggested we call it a night. He never said another word but started throwing his ROCO "Minitanks" into a box while knocking mine around. End of gaming together. |
15th Hussar | 08 Dec 2015 3:32 a.m. PST |
Buck215's comments are as mine. |
VonTed | 08 Dec 2015 4:57 a.m. PST |
Of course, but against myself :) I figure some rules need to be bent/broken/forgotten or twisted to keep a 6 year old interested! |
Joes Shop | 08 Dec 2015 5:27 a.m. PST |
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Col Durnford | 08 Dec 2015 6:36 a.m. PST |
Yes, about 45 years ago and it still haunts me. I rolled poorly for one unit and passed the results to another. |
WarWizard | 08 Dec 2015 6:49 a.m. PST |
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Mute Bystander | 08 Dec 2015 6:58 a.m. PST |
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ubercommando | 08 Dec 2015 7:21 a.m. PST |
I aspire not to cheat, however, there have been a couple of times (and I stress, a couple) where the target number was missed by 1 but others around the table thought it had succeeded and I didn't correct them because of the advantage it gave me. |
Dark Knights And Bloody Dawns | 08 Dec 2015 7:24 a.m. PST |
What's the point in playing if you have to cheat? I have messed the rules up a few times over the years but I always go back after the game and send out an email apologising for the error. |
Zargon | 08 Dec 2015 7:37 a.m. PST |
I cannot tell a lie but my George 'Herman' Washington Panzergrenadier sapper cuts down whole parts of the Ardennes for my Panzers to move through and surround the enemy's ambush choke points in all the Battle of the Buldge games, he passes his action rolls on a 1 to 6 roll on a D6. Inadvertently I may have but my opponents have been polite enough to point out my mistakes on the road to me being trounced, me I'm having so much fun I wouldn't even notice if you're' cheating or not :) Cheers happy gaming all. |
Mister Tibbles | 08 Dec 2015 8:46 a.m. PST |
Only when I play solo games. |
Who asked this joker | 08 Dec 2015 9:19 a.m. PST |
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martin goddard | 08 Dec 2015 9:20 a.m. PST |
Never deliberately. But i suspect many of us do things wrong that work to our advantage and do not realise our errors till much later. Some rule sets are easier to cheat with. You can help ypur oppoent not to cheat by making sure his dice are roled ona flat surface and are easily recognisable. Those "cocked" dice can be a temptation. martin |
Eclectic Wave | 08 Dec 2015 9:21 a.m. PST |
Never at a board game or miniature game. Cheated at a RPG for while once. It was Deadlands, and the magic rules where that you had to deal a poker hand to your self, and the value of the poker hand was the power of the magic you threw. It sucked, 2/3 of the time either your magic didn't work because you had garbage, or the value was so low, it barely did anything. So, I ended up teaching myself how to do card forces and dealing off the bottom of the deck. The problem was that the game also had rules for if you did too well, bad things could happen because you had more magic then you could handle, so cheating at the card hands didn't help all that much in the end… Years after I had done this I told the guy who had been GMing and most of the players what I had done, and they all decided that my cheating had not broken the spirit of the game, and nobody was angry, they in fact, were a little impressed I had gone to such lengths. I think, because my magic still failed half the time, even though I was cheating, had something to do with that. Magic rules in Deadlands, really sucked. |
Mister Tibbles | 08 Dec 2015 10:53 a.m. PST |
Magic rules in Deadlands, really sucked. Ain't that the truth. I'm surprised your group stuck with the rules for so long. |
Dave Knight | 08 Dec 2015 2:23 p.m. PST |
I don't know if any of you have ever played a card game called cheat. It involved putting cards into a pot in a predetermined sequence (2s then 3s then 4s etc) and declaring the number of cards going in. As the number of cards left in people's hands decreased the chances of having the relevant cards would obviously reduce. At some point one of the other players would challenge. A successful challenge would result in cheater having to take the pot of cards into their hand. An unsuccessful challenge would result in the challenger picking up the pot. The first player to get rid of all their cards was the winner. A normal cheat would be to say one king and try and pass off a 2 or whatever. However I also used to cheat by saying three kings and hiding another card (or more) that I wanted to get rid of in with them. The nature of the game is such that all cheats are eventually revealed when the cards are turned over at the end. I used to get a real kick when my ploy was uncovered and the victim would usually say 'but that's cheating' to which my reply would be ' that's the name of the game!' |
Dave Knight | 08 Dec 2015 2:37 p.m. PST |
I remember another cheat of a sort. I was playing a game of WRG6th against an opponent who seemed to be waiting for me to move my units before moving his. I deliberately 'cheated' by not moving a unit on a compulsory advance. Once he had moved all his units I 'discovered' my mistake and said ' sorry – I know that I had said that I had moved everything but I forgot these guys who must move forward' This put one of his units at a disadvantage so he promptly moved them back out of the way! Life is too short to make a fuss about such things in a 'friendly' game so I let it pass and the game continued. The dice gods smiled on me and I ended up with an overwhelming victory. I have never played that gentleman since. |
vtsaogames | 08 Dec 2015 5:08 p.m. PST |
Forget rules, yes. Cheat knowingly, no. |
etotheipi | 09 Dec 2015 6:13 p.m. PST |
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Rudysnelson | 10 Dec 2015 12:43 p.m. PST |
Nope, but I have mis-interpreted rules in the past. |
peterx | 10 Dec 2015 2:24 p.m. PST |
I cheated at Monopoly when I was a kid. I used to steal money from the bank. Those banker robber days are long gone. I may cheat because I don't understand the rules, but not knowingly. |
miniMo | 10 Dec 2015 3:04 p.m. PST |
+1 = Only when playing solo games! |
Great War Ace | 11 Dec 2015 5:59 p.m. PST |
I don't remember an incident. No, wait, I just remembered one. I had a Fokker D.VII ace who attacked a kite balloon. Very near the ground it was. "I" did a wingover and the required pullout was 1" shy of the ground. Nobody noticed but me. And I fudged to allow my pilot to not hit the ground, justifying it because I had been distracted the previous movement phase and forgot to climb my plane before diving. It was a legitimate mistake, a game mistake, not a tactical one, so I allowed that I had been screwed over by the situation. Much, much later: very recently I dived an Albatros ace down after "prey". I was experiencing buck fever, in very deed. So when I noticed that I had "over dived", i.e. gone faster than is safe in a "V Strutter", I had to allow that "I" the pilot had made a mistake: this time it was completely legitimate and there was no justification it taking it back or fudging my speed slower to be safe. So I rolled, the aircraft broke up and my pilot died. I think the other gamers were impressed that I am that devoted to integrity in gaming that I'd actually kill off a career pilot that I had been flying for many years, with sixteen kills to his credit…. |
Howler | 11 Dec 2015 7:56 p.m. PST |
The results of my games prove I have not ever cheated. |
DWilliams | 12 Dec 2015 9:51 a.m. PST |
Only when solo gaming. I know it's shameless, but sometimes I just want the Union to win! |
Stepman3 | 14 Dec 2015 1:10 p.m. PST |
Yes, once. This guy at the local GW store, when WH and 40k was fun, would come in the store and his prey of choice was always the 12 to 14 old group. He would run the table like a St. Louis pool shark. One day I offered to play him the following week. He was hesitant but finally agreed. I played my Empire and he had Chaos with demons. My dice were loaded and marked so all the pips where 4,5 and 6 with the occasional 2 or 3on them…so my rolling was great but not obvious because of the random lower numbered pips, and I scooped the dice up pretty fast so he couldn't get a long look at them. He never played me again… Funny, he also had a habit of standing really close to the table, he was rather tall and his "junk' would be damn near resting on the edge. I think he was hoping someone would brush up on him… If you ever played at the White Marsh GW store in Baltimore, you should know who I'm talking about…his name was Dave… |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 19 Dec 2015 6:10 p.m. PST |
I was going to say "Only when I play with myself" but this thread seems to be getting into a whole weird area… |