ScottWashburn  | 06 Dec 2015 6:49 p.m. PST |
Okay, here is a question which is stumping me: The 2nd Regiment d'Infantry Etranger (Swiss) which was in the III Corps during the 1815 campaign. Did they carry a standard, and if so, what did it look like? Thanks! |
| Tango01 | 06 Dec 2015 9:28 p.m. PST |
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| SJDonovan | 07 Dec 2015 2:59 a.m. PST |
The Mont St. Jean website, which is generally pretty reliable on French matters, shows them carrying the old 1804 pattern standard. Click on the link for "Uniformes" and then for the "état-major du battalion". link |
| von Winterfeldt | 07 Dec 2015 5:12 a.m. PST |
Yes, confirmed by Charrié, pages 168 / 169 Ce qui est certain, c'est que le 2e étrangers a porté durant sa courte campagne, l'aigle et le drapeau modl 1804 du 1er Suisse caché durant la 1er Restauration. |
 deadhead  | 07 Dec 2015 5:18 a.m. PST |
Now that must be unique and quite fascinating (well I find it so…..maybe that is just me). The 1804 pattern flag carried in 1815……….. |
| Tango01 | 07 Dec 2015 10:50 a.m. PST |
See here… link Amicalement
Armand |
| C M DODSON | 07 Dec 2015 11:07 a.m. PST |
Hello, My friend Thomas Mischak has asked me to post Patrice Courcelles painting of the attack on the Wavre bridge. The standard is evident.
C M DODSON | 07 Dec 2015 11:08 a.m. PST |
Sorry, some text has disappeared. We hope that this is of help. Chris |
| ScottWashburn | 07 Dec 2015 6:38 p.m. PST |
Thanks very much gentlemen! Much appreciated! |
| Marc at work | 08 Dec 2015 6:37 a.m. PST |
Is the Courcelles painting contemporary? |
| Marcel1809 | 08 Dec 2015 7:01 a.m. PST |
The Courcelles painting is quite recent, but as usual, Patrice had put a lot of research into it and gives a good view of what the Swiss might have looked like. The Swiss regiment did not attend the handing out of new eagles a few weeks before but colonel Stoffel asked a special permission to carry the old eagle and flag that was rescued from the Russian campaign. There is a written document somewhere about it, only I cannot find where I originally read it. Unfortunately for me and many others gamers I presume, I based myself on the old Haythornthwaite plate in the Blanford book and have a regt in dark blue facings with a "modern" pattern flag. Have to replace them someday… |
| deadhead | 09 Dec 2015 12:46 a.m. PST |
How many of us were just as surprised when the yellow facings surfaced? I first saw them on the Mt St Jean site and was baffled. Renee North's book was even earlier (1970) and also showed the dark blue facings (which I think looked far better and easier to paint….these are more like Neufchatel in reversed colours) |
| von Winterfeldt | 09 Dec 2015 4:53 a.m. PST |
didn't we discuss the uniforms of the suisse regiment in 1815 some time ago? PDF link the author of this highly interesting article argues convincinly that all 4 facing colours of the old regiments were worn in this unit in 1815 |
| deadhead | 09 Dec 2015 8:44 a.m. PST |
Indeed we did and thanks again; TMP link The Cent Jours site does indeed suggest that the four Swiss regt facing colours could have transferred to the 2e Entranger….the end result would be far more attractive of course on a table! |
| Musketier | 09 Dec 2015 9:25 a.m. PST |
the end result would be far more attractive of course on a table! By a strange coincidence, I was thinking much the same… |
| I see lead people | 12 Dec 2015 3:48 p.m. PST |
For the purposes of clarity, I think with the exception of VW post, it hasn't been made overly clear that the colours and eagle carried by the 2nd Swiss for the 1815 campaign, was that of the 1st Swiss (1804 model). Patrice Courcelles excellent rendition is around 10 years old. He is by far the pre-eminent artist of the past 40 years, with his work being comprehensively researched. A long bow to suggest they look like the Neuchâtel regiment…Like comparing a British Royal Regt to French one, just in reversed colours! |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
